It's a work of restoration. Hopefully we'll get some great stuff after this. At least we have the characters for it.
Besides, I think you don't even realise how hard it is to pull something like this off. Yes, it looks rather unoriginal at the surface and maybe it didn't add much. But as a movie it pushed all the right buttons. And that alone is very damn hard to get right. And Abrams did.
A resurrection of the franchise it is indeed. However, for many star wars fans like myself we were hoping for elements from the original trilogy with a true continuation in not only story but ideas.
Instead we got the atmosphere of the original with no new ideas that made the movie feel like a remake being pushed as a continuation. That was disappointing.
Overall the movie is good.
Still unsure what makes this more of a resurrection of the franchise than TPM was in 1999 (if we're basing this on financial success).
This franchise wasn't like Jurassic Park that was getting close to dead after JP3 then resurrected 15 years later by JW.
SW was never dead, and has always been successful 😬
Originally posted by Kotor3
A resurrection of the franchise it is indeed. However, for many star wars fans like myself we were hoping for elements from the original trilogy with a true continuation in not only story but ideas.Instead we got the atmosphere of the original with no new ideas that made the movie feel like a remake being pushed as a continuation. That was disappointing.
Overall the movie is good.
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Originally posted by Darth Thor
Still unsure what makes this more of a resurrection of the franchise than TPM was in 1999 (if we're basing this on financial success).This franchise wasn't like Jurassic Park that was dead after JP3 then resurrected by JW.
SW was never dead, and has always been successful 😬
look at the bright side: nobody is going to take your prequels away and mutilate them so that you may never enjoy them the same way you did 15 years ago. so you already have it better than oldschool OT fans 👆
Originally posted by queeq
It's a work of restoration. Hopefully we'll get some great stuff after this. At least we have the characters for it.Besides, I think you don't even realise how hard it is to pull something like this off. Yes, it looks rather unoriginal at the surface and maybe it didn't add much. But as a movie it pushed all the right buttons. And that alone is very damn hard to get right. And Abrams did.
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Originally posted by Astner
No, I meant in terms of concepts.What did it add? For instance, the rule of two-philosophy was added in the prequels and so was the clone concept.
Who gives a fvck?
Seriously, your measurement of if the movie was good or not is if it added some starship designs and a rule for the villains? I've seen some stupid criticisms but that takes the cake.
Kylo Ren's new lightsaber design, new force powers, a new dark side order that isn't Sith, force sensitives who aren't Jedi or Sith, Phasma's chrome armor, Traitor-man's sword and shield thing, stormtroopers getting taken as children and trained/indoctrinated like Jedi, tentacle-rape monsters, doing stuff at lightspeed, Kylo Ren struggling with the lightside, Reys life as a scavenger, BB-8, C3PO has a red arm.
Of course, you're missing the whole point that the movie is about nostalgia and clinging on to the past. Kylo Ren worships a mangled mask and dreams of equaling a long dead man while purposefully trying to emulate him as much as possible. Rey makes her living scrounging off shattered relics of past conflicts and is voluntarily caged on Jakku by her past, stuck in a cycle shes unwilling to move out of. Han can't move beyond past mistakes and turns back to a profession he long left behind. Leia goes back to her days as a rebellion leader and uses the same shitty tactics of x-wing dogfights and miracle wins while searching for her brother instead of finding something or someone new. Hux and the First Order are all too young to actually have known the Empire and are left simply emulating it to the hilt and making the same mistakes. C3PO has a new arm, but he gets rid of it for his old one because it was red. Which is dumb.
Calling the movie unoriginal is almost a fair criticism, but considering it's one of the main themes of the movie it's kind of stupid to complain about to this degree. It's completely intentional and it's actually pretty ****ing clever. Especially as a meta-comment on the fandom.
Also the clone concept was added in ANH when they mention the clone wars. I can get how you'd forget that, its only the first 20 minutes of the entire franchise.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Who gives a fvck?Seriously, your measurement of if the movie was good or not is if it added some starship designs and a rule for the villains? I've seen some stupid criticisms but that takes the cake.
Kylo Ren's new lightsaber design, new force powers, a new dark side order that isn't Sith, force sensitives who aren't Jedi or Sith, Phasma's chrome armor, Traitor-man's sword and shield thing, stormtroopers getting taken as children and trained/indoctrinated like Jedi, tentacle-rape monsters, doing stuff at lightspeed, Kylo Ren struggling with the lightside, Reys life as a scavenger, BB-8, C3PO has a red arm.
Of course, you're missing the whole point that the movie is about nostalgia and clinging on to the past. Kylo Ren worships a mangled mask and dreams of equaling a long dead man while purposefully trying to emulate him as much as possible. Rey makes her living scrounging off shattered relics of past conflicts and is voluntarily caged on Jakku by her past, stuck in a cycle shes unwilling to move out of. Han can't move beyond past mistakes and turns back to a profession he long left behind. Leia goes back to her days as a rebellion leader and uses the same shitty tactics of x-wing dogfights and miracle wins while searching for her brother instead of finding something or someone new. Hux and the First Order and all too young to actually have known the Empire and are left simply emulating it to the hilt and making the same mistakes. C3PO has a new arm, but he gets rid of it for his old one because it was red. Which is dumb.
Calling the movie unoriginal is almost a fair criticism, but considering it's one of the main themes of the movie it's kind of stupid to complain about to this degree. It's completely intentional and it's actually pretty ****ing clever.
Also the clone concept was added in ANH when they mention the clone wars. I can get how you'd forget that, its only the first 20 minutes of the entire franchise.
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Originally posted by Khazra RebornIf you don't see the similarities between Voldemort and Snoke I can't help you. You aren't a fan of the character and I seem like the only one touting his praise. That's fine. Lots of Luke Skywalker fans out there.
Voldemort is Ralph Finnes with no nose. Not seeing the appeal.
Originally posted by quanchi112
If you don't see the similarities between Voldemort and Snoke I can't help you. You aren't a fan of the character and I seem like the only one touting his praise. That's fine. Lots of Luke Skywalker fans out there.
I didn't say there weren't similarities, I just don't see how looking like Voldemort makes Snoke cool.