Originally posted by Darth Thor
Meta what on the fandom?Rehashing ANH was playing it safe. Nothing more, nothing less. But I'd personally just rewatch ANH. Still this film was worth watching to me just for the Escape from Jakku on the Millenium Falcon.
ANH never introduced us to the idea of a Clone Army. That was AOTC. ANH only named the war for us.
Comment. Its when you say something about something. Like how making a movie where the villains are a bunch of insane legacy-obsessed, backwards-looking fanboys worried that nothing will ever be as good as the original or as cool as Darth Vader might be saying something about that franchises fandom.
Your constant girly whinging is noted, though unneeded.
Its called the Clone Wars. Its not hard to put it together that it probably had clones fighting wars in it. And amazingly it ****ing did. Wow, if Lucas hadn't of showed us that we'd sure never have cottoned on to that.
Originally posted by NephthysOwned.
Comment. Its when you say something about something. Like how making a movie where the villains are a bunch of insane legacy-obsessed, backwards-looking fanboys worried that nothing will ever be as good as the original or as cool as Darth Vader might be saying something about that franchises fandom.Your constant girly whinging is noted, though unneeded.
Its called the Clone Wars. Its not hard to put it together that it probably had clones fighting wars in it. And amazingly it ****ing did. Wow, if Lucas hadn't of showed us that we'd sure never have cottoned on to that.
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Originally posted by Nephthys
Comment. Its when you say something about something. Like how making a movie where the villains are a bunch of insane legacy-obsessed, backwards-looking fanboys worried that nothing will ever be as good as the original or as cool as Darth Vader might be saying something about that franchises fandom.Your constant girly whinging is noted, though unneeded.
Its called the Clone Wars. Its not hard to put it together that it probably had clones fighting wars in it. And amazingly it ****ing did. Wow, if Lucas hadn't of showed us that we'd sure never have cottoned on to that.
That might be the case if the heroes weren't also backwards looking and whose journey's are framed as being forced to live up to our former heroes legends(which shouldn't be hard---our old heroes were failures). Whether one likes Rey or not, and I don't, she has less of a choice in the proceedings than Kylo Ben. She must live up to Luke Skywalker's legacy and the film doesn't think that is a bad thing.
The film itself is also horribly backwards looking and trying to live up to legacy so whatever snide commentary they have is lost. Calling Kylo Ben pathetic for trying to emulate Vader loses some bite when the whole film is trying to emulate the creation of some punk movie brat in the 70's. Same droid with a thing missing, same super weapon(though Freud would have a few things to say about it), same locales meant to hearken back to the good old days, same heroes fighting the good fight(Leia), same scoundrels in debt, same Jedi with a different name(Luke instead of Yoda), same old school writer, same composer, and ultimately the galaxy remains the same 30 years later with a resistance and a First Order instead of a rebellion and an empire.
So if Kylo Ben being a loser is supposed to be a comment about fanboys who never leave their comfort zone, then it is a pretty weak comment. This film is all about being in the very same comfort zone and bending in every way to make it just right for their fans to feel comfy.
Also don't be sexist.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Comment. Its when you say something about something. Like how making a movie where the villains are a bunch of insane legacy-obsessed, backwards-looking fanboys worried that nothing will ever be as good as the original or as cool as Darth Vader might be saying something about that franchises fandom.Your constant girly whinging is noted, though unneeded.
Its called the Clone Wars. Its not hard to put it together that it probably had clones fighting wars in it. And amazingly it ****ing did. Wow, if Lucas hadn't of showed us that we'd sure never have cottoned on to that.
Nah Abrams was just being Unoriginal. But I give you credit for trying to find a deeper meaning to his Unoriginality.
After your whinging of the Prequels for the past decade I find your inability to take a bit of criticism on this completely Unoriginal film pretty hilarious.
Yeah keep pretending you knew what the Clone Wars was all about since you saw ANH. There was all sorts of crazy theories just a couple of years before AOTC. The main one being that Sidious makes evil Jedi clones to fight the Jedi. A Clone Trooper Army was certainly not top of the list.
The reference in this movie would make no sense unless you've seen AOTC/ROTS. They referenced the PT in this movie, and not for the first/only time. Quit whinging about it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am not saying it as groundbreaking at the time I'm saying to me it's far more enjoyable as ANH was always lame to me compared to the other Star Wars films.
Difficult to argue against your opinion, you're allowed to enjoy what you enjoy, even if it's made of inferior film making.
You frigging Mad Max hater ahah
Originally posted by Nephthys
Seriously, your measurement of if the movie was good or not is if it added some starship designs and a rule for the villains? I've seen some stupid criticisms but that takes the cake.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Kylo Ren's new lightsaber design, tentacle-rape monster, Phasma's chrome armor, BB-8, C3PO has a red arm.
Originally posted by Nephthys
new force powers,
That said, Darth Vader did stop a Blaster bolt in The Empire Strikes back; and the mind-reading contradicts A New Hope.
Originally posted by Nephthys
a new dark side order that isn't Sith,
Originally posted by Nephthys
force sensitives who aren't Jedi or Sith,
Originally posted by Nephthys
Traitor-man's sword and shield thing,
Originally posted by Nephthys
stormtroopers getting taken as children and trained/indoctrinated like Jedi,
Originally posted by Nephthys
doing stuff at lightspeed,
Originally posted by Nephthys
Kylo Ren struggling with the lightside,
Originally posted by Nephthys
Reys life as a scavenger
Originally posted by Nephthys
Of course, you're missing the whole point that the movie is about nostalgia and clinging on to the past. Kylo Ren worships a mangled mask and dreams of equaling a long dead man while purposefully trying to emulate him as much as possible. Rey makes her living scrounging off shattered relics of past conflicts and is voluntarily caged on Jakku by her past, stuck in a cycle shes unwilling to move out of. Han can't move beyond past mistakes and turns back to a profession he long left behind. Leia goes back to her days as a rebellion leader and uses the same shitty tactics of x-wing dogfights and miracle wins while searching for her brother instead of finding something or someone new. Hux and the First Order are all too young to actually have known the Empire and are left simply emulating it to the hilt and making the same mistakes. C3PO has a new arm, but he gets rid of it for his old one because it was red. Which is dumb.Calling the movie unoriginal is almost a fair criticism, but considering it's one of the main themes of the movie it's kind of stupid to complain about to this degree. It's completely intentional and it's actually pretty ****ing clever. Especially as a meta-comment on the fandom.
And I don't know how many times I've heard the excuse "the movie was good because it was intentionally bad." This is just something some idiot decided to read into the movie because of how lackluster it was.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Also the clone concept was added in ANH when they mention the clone wars. I can get how you'd forget that, its only the first 20 minutes of the entire franchise.
Originally posted by queeq
How can you say there's no new concepts in SW?
Originally posted by queeq
The only important new concepts we need in a movie is new characters. And we got that and a couple of good ones.
You should also expect good writing. But the writing of The Force Awakens would be considered bad by amateur standards. I've seen movies with the budget of $12 better written than this. Don't believe me?
Originally posted by queeq
Clones and Clone War is only background.
Originally posted by queeq
How can you say there's no new concepts in SW? The only important new concepts we need in a movie is new characters. And we got that and a couple of good ones.Clones and Clone War is only background.
If one does not like the new characters, what does this movie have to offer you? I mean I adore Liam Neeson as Qui-Gon but save the movie he doesn't.