Strength Ranking:DCNU

Originally posted by SasuOna

Well, if we go by pure strength feats, then kryptonians have everyone outclassed due to the Superman "bench-pressing the earth's weight" stuff.

It all becomes more of a wash when you go by the win/loss record since the reboot.

Likewise there's the problem of reconciling how strong characters struggle with challenges orders of magnitude
below their best feat, as in the case of those aircraft carriers mentioned before:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/2ajyr82.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/14v69p0.jpg

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

6. Supergirl (Matt Idelsen)

-- displays power greater than Superman had at the age she is from the moment she arrives on Earth

-- held as most powerful by WorldKillers DESPITE their knowing Superman is also on Earth

-- apparently possesses the innate ability to create self-empowering/repowering light energy

6. Supergirl (Matt Idelsen)

-- displays power greater than Superman had at the age she is from the moment she arrives on Earth:

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2djleg.jpg

-- held as most powerful by WorldKillers DESPITE their knowing Superman is also on Earth:

http://oi62.tinypic.com/bhyg43.jpg
(Note: This scan is the result of combining TWO succeeding pages of Supergirl #6 that has this conversation between Kara and Reign.)

-- apparently possesses the innate ability to create self-empowering/repowering light energy:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/jugub5.jpg

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Issue #2 pages were shown, and it includes the first time Supergirl meets her cousin, Superman.
"There's a certain distrust," Asrar said with a laugh as a slide was shown where Supergirl punches Superman.

"She's actually stronger than Kal-El," Idelson said.
Johnson said, "She came out of that pod ready to go, as people noticed," he said.

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http://www.newsarama.com/8536-nycc-2011-dc-all-access-superman-panel.html

It should be fairly obvious by now that I'm systematically going through and filling in scan support for all the statements I made on page 1.

Here's what I've got so far:

1. Wonder Woman (uncuffed)

-- beat the goddess Artemis with ease
http://oi61.tinypic.com/2i05643.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/sl38m8.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/514hlt.jpg

-- impressed the god Apollo
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2lnxty.jpg

2. Superman (suncharged/sundipped)

-- beat the god Apollo

3. Apollo

-- swatted Superman away like a pest
(until accidentally supercharging Clark with concentrated sunlight)

-- beat cuffed Wonder Woman
http://oi61.tinypic.com/2z4zkld.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/akkcr7.jpg

4. Martian Manhunter

-- judging from JL8, held his own against the Justice League single-handedly
http://oi58.tinypic.com/1fwb2w.jpg

5. Wonder Woman (cuffed)

-- historically lacks Kryptonian-level durability, which is often wrongly held against her as lacking pure physical strength

Diana versus Cheetah, Wonder Woman v2 #9
http://oi57.tinypic.com/k2b5et.jpg

Diana versus Doomsday
(Impactbreak. Non-invulnerable bones shatter.)
http://oi60.tinypic.com/110he9s.jpg

-- holds back even at standard levels against many opponents

Surprised teammates ponder DCnU Wondy's skirmish with Cheetah
http://oi58.tinypic.com/1zq7wc5.jpg

-- outmatched by the god Apollo
http://oi61.tinypic.com/2z4zkld.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/akkcr7.jpg

-- outmatched by the goddess Artemis

http://oi61.tinypic.com/1zekxt3.jpg
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2w6hvm9.jpg

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2q1xi75.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/x3y8bb.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/4vgth1.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/296c6r5.jpg

Diana versus Artemis. Cuffed reSiberia.

http://oi58.tinypic.com/28tgz9y.jpg
http://oi62.tinypic.com/deoeah.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/5e8f94.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/2h565c9.jpg

(Note: The last scan is missing a panel, just before the last panel, where Diana says "I swear",
and where Artemis is in her shining "Deer Woman" form, still holding Diana in the same position as she was in bear form.)

-- overpowers Faora
Certain fights suggest physical strength is the reason for a victor's victory quite powerfully.
Example:
Diana versus Hercules
http://oi61.tinypic.com/wqzc5g.jpg
The kind of combat above measures strength pretty directly, and is more or less
a hand grip/body strength test.

Notice the parallel in the fight against Faora.
This looks nearly EXACTLY like that kind of grip strength test,
with Faora struggling to control Wonder Woman's sword.

Interestingly, Faora is using 2 hands for this (you can tell because both hands shown grasping the hilt of the sword have gloves on)
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2cgfwqx.jpg
while we've only on this page seen Wonder Woman use one.

Diana holds her own with Zod close-fighting, though Clark will get summarily wrecked trying the same thing, and when Diana goes back to Faora ...
http://oi62.tinypic.com/73nkb5.jpg
... we see Diana seem to get the better of Faora in another grappling contest,
apparently successfully getting a choke on Faora started at the end of it,
hold Faora at bay while negotiating with Zod for Clark,
and lightly toss Faora away.

-- holds own with Zod
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2n0qvl.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/x573ps.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/27xpfcz.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/8voj8l.jpg

-- overpowers Supergirl
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2ur0zcz.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2lsdshf.jpg

6. Supergirl (Matt Idelsen)

-- displays power greater than Superman had at the age she is from the moment she arrives on Earth
http://oi62.tinypic.com/2djleg.jpg
-- held as most powerful by WorldKillers DESPITE their knowing Superman is also on Earth
http://oi62.tinypic.com/bhyg43.jpg
-- apparently possesses the innate ability to create self-empowering/repowering light energy
http://oi61.tinypic.com/jugub5.jpg

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Issue #2 pages were shown, and it includes the first time Supergirl meets her cousin, Superman.
"There's a certain distrust," Asrar said with a laugh as a slide was shown where Supergirl punches Superman.

"She's actually stronger than Kal-El," Idelson said.
Johnson said, "She came out of that pod ready to go, as people noticed," he said.

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http://www.newsarama.com/8536-nycc-2011-dc-all-access-superman-panel.html

Orion

-- hefted an aircraft carrier solo without apparent strain;
earlier Superman and Wonder Woman together struggled with one to save a city.

http://oi58.tinypic.com/2ajyr82.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/14v69p0.jpg

-- looked stronger than Superman in their fight

http://oi59.tinypic.com/jqlypv.jpg
http://oi62.tinypic.com/24liff9.jpg
http://oi61.tinypic.com/6jhlj4.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/29fz6ro.jpg

http://oi61.tinypic.com/6o0jtt.jpg
http://oi58.tinypic.com/213ge9g.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/rvao9d.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/50l5y1.jpg

7. Superman

-- has his arm broken casually by Zod, though Zod does not do the same against Wonder Woman

http://oi62.tinypic.com/29usvn7.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/6y16b8.jpg
http://oi57.tinypic.com/2e1d8ow.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/209r4ed.jpg

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2n0qvl.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/x573ps.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/27xpfcz.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/8voj8l.jpg

8. Black Adam
-- beaten by Ultraman who is, presumably, the rough equal of Superman

9. Supergirl (Eddie Berganza)

10. Aquaman

Hahaha. This is getting laughable by now. Martian Manhunter stronger than Superman? Orion being stronger than Superman? ****ing Supergirl being touted as stronger than superman based on an interview which was later negated?

crylaugh

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

But....you make an excuse for WW having her bones broken (using the point that durability =/= strength), but not for Zod breaking Superman's?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But ... you make an excuse for WW having her bones broken (using the point that durability =/= strength), but not for Zod breaking Superman's?

What excuse would you like to use for Superman, Dark?

Go ahead and put it in here.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
What excuse would you like to use for Superman, Dark?

Go ahead and put it in here.

Zod, being an alpha male, and having an anger towards Superman for not joining him, was more focussed on humiliating and hurting him, rather than a female he had just met. So he deliberately set out to break that arm.

He also sees Superman as MORE of a threat, but yet, does not want to kill another Kryptonian. So disables him.

Or that it's PIS, as the writer/illustrator didn't want to show a male character breaking a female character in half. It's fine to show it with Doomsday as he is mindless, but not if you want to later create a villain you can sympathise with.

Take your pick

Interesting in Hector's choice of hidey hole, though. Especially in front of two others who may lay claim to that title...

Originally posted by bluewaterrider

http://oi59.tinypic.com/50l5y1.jpg

For anybody interested, here is Supergirl vs Superman replica under Idleson's editing no less.

Supergirl vs Nanotech Superman who nearly killed her.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15233200/prv11556_pg3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15233201/prv11556_pg4.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15233202/2384009-usuperman_06_006_copy_super.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15233203/2384010-usuperman_06_007_copy_super.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15233204/2384011-usuperman_06_010_copy_super.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15233216/2384012-usuperman_06_011_copy_super.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15233205/2384013-usuperman_06_012_copy_super.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15233206/2384014-usuperman_06_013_copy_super.jpg.html

Superman vs Nanotech Superman who manhandled him like a child and broke him apart.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15233208/2384016-usuperman_06_015_copy_super.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15233209/2384017-usuperman_06_017_copy_super.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15233210/2384018-usuperman_06_018_copy_super.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15233211/2384019-usuperman_06_019_copy_super.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15233212/2384020-usuperman_06_020_copy_super.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15233213/2384022-usuperman_06_021_copy_super.jpg.html

As for arguing that Supergirl was more powerful than Superman, this from her own comic.

Superman was stated to be more powerful than both Orion and Wonder Woman.

As well as everyone else in superhero community.

Again.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/13067013/Superman_Annual-Zone-011.jpg.html

There are like half a dozen scans of him being stated that he was the most powerful being on the planet. Zod breaking his arm with both arm by his joint isn't because a lack of strength and neither does that indicates Wonder Woman is somehow stronger than him, the thought itself is retarded because Zod never had her by both arms and tried to break her arm.

There is so much stupidity in this thread.

Your face is stupid.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Your face is stupid.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or that it's PIS, as the writer/illustrator didn't want to show a male character breaking a female character in half. It's fine to show it with Doomsday as he is mindless, but not if you want to later create a villain you can sympathise with.

Take your pick

Interesting in Hector's choice of hidey hole, though. Especially in front of two others who may lay claim to that title...

Correction. He felt threatened by WW...to the point that she threatened to kill him if he killed Superman and Zod pretty much agreed that she would kill him.

http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shogunofharlem1/media/Superman-WonderWoman2013-005-020_zps886fcd2d.jpg.html

Originally posted by abhilegend
No you. Also can anybody post Superman rescuing wonder woman from Darkseid when he was manhandling her with one hand? I can't find the scans.

My original post still stands 😠 😠 😠

Originally posted by carver9
Correction. He felt threatened by WW...to the point that she threatened to kill him if he killed Superman and Zod pretty much agreed that she would kill him.

http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/shogunofharlem1/media/Superman-WonderWoman2013-005-020_zps886fcd2d.jpg.html

Or...he was more threatened by WW having her hand around his lover/2nd in command's throat, minutes after having revived her from the Phantom Zone. The way he casually dismisses her as 'woman', not even bothering to learn her name, leaving a weakened Faora to deal with her....does this sound like he saw WW as more of a threat, considering how protective he was of her?

In any case, whether he did or not, the fact still remains, that blue was ready to make excuses for WW, but not for Supes.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or...he was more threatened by WW having her hand around his lover/2nd in command's throat, minutes after having revived her from the Phantom Zone. The way he casually dismisses her as 'woman', not even bothering to learn her name, leaving a weakened Faora to deal with her....does this sound like he saw WW as more of a threat, considering how protective he was of her?

In any case, whether he did or not, the fact still remains, that blue was ready to make excuses for WW, but not for Supes.

Lol...you are making excuses though. Love you like a lil brother but you have habits of adding things to comics that is pretty clear, cut, and dry. Him agreeing with WW, that she would kill him if he hurt Superman means exactly what was said. Then, looking at the fight entirely, I see no reason why he wouldn't believe her...she was working the both of them, solo. Accept what was said and move on. Lets not have an 8 page debate on what you THINK/THOUGHT Zod was talking about when we have clear on point proof of what he is saying. Lets not do this, it's too early in the morning for me to play the "debate off of what someone thinks instead of reading what's on panel.

👆

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...you are making excuses though. Love you like a lil brother but you have habits of adding things to comics that is pretty clear, cut, and dry. Him agreeing with WW, that she would kill him if he hurt Superman means exactly what was said. Then, looking at the fight entirely, I see no reason why he wouldn't believe her...she was working the both of them, solo. Accept what was said and move on. Lets not have an 8 page debate on what you THINK/THOUGHT Zod was talking about when we have clear on point proof of what he is saying. Lets not do this, it's too early in the morning for me to play the "debate off of what someone thinks instead of reading what's on panel.

👆

Lol, fair enough.

But bear in mind, in the Flash thread.....you're the one ignoring what's clearly stated on panel 😉

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My original post still stands 😠 😠 😠

uhuh

Do you have the scans of Darkseid vs JLA though?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol, fair enough.

But bear in mind, in the Flash thread.....you're the one ignoring what's clearly stated on panel 😉

😠

I won that debate.

Carver is drunk again it seems. Where the hell was wonder woman working both of them by strength. All she did against Zod was to re-direct his HV back at him and knee him while Superman was dealing with Faora.

Originally posted by carver9
😠

I won that debate.

I'll meet you there in that thread.