Q Continuum vs God

Originally posted by Mindship

Seems to me, the problem is accepting whether or not "God" is truly omnipotent (we don't have to deal with whether "He's" real or not because Q, we know, is fiction).

But Yahweh is just as undoubtedly fictional as the Q, proven because the bible has an obsolete geocentric cosmology that does not in any way correspond to our reality and thus can only be taken as fictional myth. Thus, the only way to properly judge Him is, like any other fictional character, based off of his feats, and sadly, his power scale is puny compared to the Q.

Originally posted by Lestov16
But Yahweh is just as undoubtedly fictional as the Q, proven because the bible has an obsolete geocentric cosmology that does not in any way correspond to our reality and thus can only be taken as fictional myth. Thus, the only way to properly judge Him is, like any other fictional character, based off of his feats, and sadly, his power scale is puny compared to the Q.

So Q screwing with Picard most of the time is a great feat to you?

Originally posted by Lestov16
But Yahweh is just as undoubtedly fictional as the Q, proven because the bible has an obsolete geocentric cosmology that does not in any way correspond to our reality and thus can only be taken as fictional myth. Thus, the only way to properly judge Him is, like any other fictional character, based off of his feats, and sadly, his power scale is puny compared to the Q.

God's literary history predates Q's, obviously, by thousands of years, showing up in nearly every corner of the world. Additionally, the sheer amount of text on God leaves Q's accounts in the dust. But again, I don't think the fictionality of either being is what's being questioned. It's the Absolute Omnipotence of one of them (God) that's really being debated here, imo. And since Time Immemorial did not say (despite my prodding hehe) that God's feats are not limited to onscreen, all those texts, everything that's ever been written about God is legit to use here, I feel.

Put another way: let's you and I create a fictional being that is, by definition, unbeatable, second-to-none (Zen Buddhists sometimes say "One without a second"😉. We'll call him Obamaputin. To say, hey, wait, so-n-so could still beat Obamaputin, is to ignore the very definition we just set up. If we agree that Obamaputin is ubeatable, that everything and everyone else pales infinitely by comparison, that ends it. By definition. Obamaputin chills and lets all the lesser beings duke it out for rank after him.

Thus the question becomes: do you (the general you, not you specifically) accept that Obamaputin = God? If not, then Q could win.

Originally posted by Mindship
As I stated, the issue of God's reality is moot, because Q is fictional. Thus we have (potentially) two fictional beings pitted against each other.

God's literary history predates Q's, obviously, by thousands of years, showing up in nearly every corner of the world. Additionally, the sheer amount of text on God leaves Q's accounts in the dust. But again, I don't think the fictionality of either being is what's being questioned. It's the Absolute Omnipotence of one of them (God) that's really being debated here, imo. And since Time Immemorial did not say (despite my prodding hehe) that God's feats are not limited to onscreen, all those texts, everything that's ever been written about God is legit to use here, I feel.

Put another way: let's you and I create a fictional being that is, by definition, unbeatable, second-to-none (Zen Buddhists sometimes say "One without a second"😉. We'll call him Obamaputin. To say, hey, wait, so-n-so could still beat Obamaputin, is to ignore the very definition we just set up. If we agree that Obamaputin is ubeatable, that everything and everyone else pales infinitely by comparison, that ends it. By definition. Obamaputin chills and lets all the lesser beings duke it out for rank after him.

Thus the question becomes: do you (the general you, not you specifically) accept that Obamaputin = God? If not, then Q could win.

That's not the proper way to gage his power though. Just because he's considered unbeatable by the beings who exist in his world does not mean he is absolutely unbeatable by anybody in fiction. The only way to objectively compare them is to compare their feats and the scale of their power, and the Q's near-omnipotence over the infinite-multiversal Star Trek universe (and total omnipotence over their own universes) completely dwarfs Yahweh's total omnipotence over a mere 3 universes (which, due to him describing his tri-verse as everything that could possibly exist, is clearly the limit of his power).

Let's say we pitted Yahweh against Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Both of these beings have been described as unbeatable omnipotents, but considering Beyonder encompasses an infinite multiverse whereas Yahweh only encompasses a mere 3 universes, Beyonder is clearly more powerful. The same applies here. The Q's power scale massively outweighs what Yahweh has been shown capable of, based on actual evidence from the Bible and Bruce Almighty. The only thing that implies differently is subjective interpretation.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So Q screwing with Picard most of the time is a great feat to you?

Rewriting the gravitational constant (which if we go by the Bible's silly assumption that God is responsible for the universe's physical laws/constants/initial conditions, basically means the Q defied God's word 😉 ) is a great feat. Don't get me wrong, exnihilating universes to phuck with Picard is also impressive, but since you seem adamant on downplaying that, I'll move on to his other feats.

To add to my argument, as Kubik, an "omnipotent" in Marvel Comics stated, there are levels to omnipotence, and just because a being claims themself to be one doesn't mean there isn't another being who can outclass them.

Originally posted by Lestov16
That's not the proper way to gage his power though. Just because he's considered unbeatable by the beings who exist in his world does not mean he is absolutely unbeatable by anybody in fiction. The only way to objectively compare them is to compare their feats and the scale of their power, and the Q's near-omnipotence over the infinite-multiversal Star Trek universe (and total omnipotence over their own universes) completely dwarfs Yahweh's total omnipotence over a mere 3 universes (which, due to him describing his tri-verse as everything that could possibly exist, is clearly the limit of his power).

Let's say we pitted Yahweh against Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Both of these beings have been described as unbeatable omnipotents, but considering Beyonder encompasses an infinite multiverse whereas Yahweh only encompasses a mere 3 universes, Beyonder is clearly more powerful. The same applies here. The Q's power scale massively outweighs what Yahweh has been shown capable of, based on actual evidence from the Bible and Bruce Almighty. The only thing that implies differently is subjective interpretation.

Let's say Star Trek (pick your fave) is still on the air. For a grand two-parter, writers want to introduce an entity so powerful, "even the Q fear to say its name." They start writing scenes where the Q are seeking political asylum with our noble Star Trek heroes. "It's coming," Q says. "It found us. It spared us once. I fear, this time, we may have taxed its patience."

Is this an impossible task?

Originally posted by Epicurus
So you actually think that TOAA is the biblical God? Either you're the same breed of retard that has spouted the bs about Mr Mxyzptlk having actually visited our own real-life universe during one of reality warping shenanigans on the Comic Vs Board, or you've never actually read a comic book in your life.

Comparing omnipotent beings to boxers, lol. That's not even remotely an accurate analogy, especially not when in both the DC and Marvel publications, there is a set power-based hierarchy for such beings. Lucifer Morningstar transcends Dream of the Endless by a HUGE magnitude, even though both can manipulate universes/realities/dimensions as if it were child's play.

Lol, what proof do you have that the real-life Yahweh, let alone Morweh, is a multiversal creator? I mean what do you even hope to gain by making such an idiotically pointless point? Apart from the fact that you want to actually pretend that you get the general idea of this debate better than me, when the reality of the situation is that you're only making an assclown of yourself? Hell, let alone the proof of Yahweh's supposed multiversality, I want you to show me actual evidence that the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics somehow overnight evolved from a hypothesis to a tangible theory. Because after all, how can God be presumed to be the maker of a multiverse when there is no solid evidence yet that our reality is a multiverse?

Wrong. The Q isn't in desperate need for the love of his creations. The Q didn't even create humanity for that matter either. Q does assholish sh1t to get a reaction out of lesser species. The Q is in fact self-aware of its explicit d1ckery/douchebagery. Preacherverse Yahweh did all that shit because he was an egomaniac, and a pretty bad one at that. He had no self-awareness of what his personality actually entailed. He was a genuinely insane being.

Everything in this here post is bullshit.

ToAA is the same exact being as Yahweh. Deal with it and stop being a butthurt baby.

Only an idiot (You) would believe ToAA is supposed to be anything but God.

For instance, check this stuff out (warning, religious zealotry...you have been warned. Read at your own peril):

http://www.allaboutgod.com/attributes-of-god.htm

And, despite your anti-Judeo-Christian agenda (get over it, man...you're pathetic...), God does not seem to care at all about His creation. Watch: "Hey, God, tell us your opinion about this thread, please?"

See, nothing. 🙂

Originally posted by Mindship
Let's forget about God.

Let's say Star Trek (pick your fave) is still on the air. For a grand two-parter, writers want to introduce an entity so powerful, "even the Q fear to say its name." They start writing scenes where the Q are seeking political asylum with our noble Star Trek heroes. "It's coming," Q says. "It found us. It spared us once. I fear, this time, we may have taxed its patience."

Is this an impossible task?

Is that an impossible task? Hell no. Is it an impossible task for an extremely less powerful mere tri-versal being? Hell yes.

Originally posted by dadudemon

And, despite your anti-Judeo-Christian agenda (get over it, man...you're pathetic...), God does not seem to care at all about His creation. Watch: "Hey, God, tell us your opinion about this thread, please?"

See, nothing. 🙂

So you still believe that the Abrahamic God possibly applies to our world instead of being an obvious fictional myth. Yeah, doesn't seem like it's Epicurus whose spouting the bullshit here...

Originally posted by Lestov16
Rewriting the gravitational constant (which if we go by the Bible's silly assumption that God is responsible for the universe's physical laws/constants/initial conditions, basically means the Q defied God's word 😉 ) is a great feat.

(In the Oracle's [Matrix] voice)

Oohhhh, but here's what's really going to bake your noodle: did God create the universe in such a way to allow the Q to be able to change universal constants?

Even Picard speculates about God (not Q) at one point. This was long after he had met Q.

Originally posted by Lestov16
So you still believe that the Abrahamic God possibly applies to our world instead of being an obvious fictional myth. Yeah, doesn't seem like it's Epicurus whose spouting the bullshit here...

So, let me get this straight:

I performed an atheistic thought expirement which is generally done to make fun of Judeo-Christian beliefs and this makes my point "apply to this world"?

That's pretty dang non-sequitur. I really don't think you understood what I was doing, there.

He speculated about an obsolete mythical God whose universal initial conditions are completely different from that of the ST verse, thus not applying to it in the least? Well, that's good for Picard. Does nothing to support Yahweh here though.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Even Picard speculates about God (not Q) at one point. This was long after he had met Q.

"Who Watches the Watchers"?

Again, speculation is not proof of his existence or power level.

Originally posted by Lestov16
He speculated about an obsolete mythical God whose universal initial conditions are completely different from that of the ST verse, thus not applying to it in the least?

No, he speculated about God as a Supreme Creator and he was unsure to His existence or afterlife. He was pretty much agnostic. But he did not acknowledge Q as being that person: Q is not equal to this being and Picard placed his thoughts about this being, clearly ahead of people like the Q. 🙂

The Q are no ex nihilo beings. This is what Robtard has been trying to beat into your heads. Only a being (call It/Him/Her Yahweh, ToAA, etc.) that is uncreated and truly infinite could create something "ex nihilo." The Q are created. They lack an aspect of power that makes them weaker than the "real" God. 😄

Narcissistic, racist aliens always win

Originally posted by Robtard
"Who Watches the Watchers"?

lol, even Uatu talks about this stuff.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, he speculated about God as a Supreme Creator and he was unsure to His existence or afterlife. He was pretty much agnostic. But he did not acknowledge Q as being that person: Q is not equal to this being and Picard placed his thoughts about this being, clearly ahead of people like the Q. 🙂

What a mere human like Picard speculates about a being he's never met (and who, by biblical standards, does not preside over his universe, which has completely different initial conditions) is irrelevant.

Originally posted by dadudemon
The Q are no ex nihilo beings. This is what Robtard has been trying to beat into your heads. Only a being (call It/Him/Her Yahweh, ToAA, etc.) that is uncreated and truly infinite could create something "ex nihilo." The Q are created. They lack an aspect of power that makes them weaker than the "real" God. 😄

There are multiple supernatural beings in fiction who have "existed forever" who would get annihilated by the Q. Yahweh is no exception. Doesn't matter how long he's lived. He's limited to 3 universes, and that makes him considerably less powerful than the Q, and this is the only factor that actually matters.

Originally posted by dadudemon
lol, even Uatu talks about this stuff.

There's a difference between the concept of a Supreme Being and the fictional versions which have been encountered in endless myths (including Yahweh). As stories such as Preacher show, just because a being is labelled, "God", doesn't mean they get all the attributes that we humans automatically like to associate with the word. We only go by what they were shown doing, and what Yahweh did pales in comparison to the Q.

"Supreme being" is fairly self explanatory.