It is also a concept which the Bible tried, but due to primitive scientific inaccuracy miserably failed, to invoke.
It would be like, considering the Drago vs Clubber debate, there actually was a scene in Rocky 3 in which Clubber was measurably shown to hit at over 2200 psi. At that point, no matter how much Rocky IV tried to put over Drago as Rocky's hardest hitting opponent, it would be undeniable due to indisputable feats that Clubber was better.
Originally posted by Mindship
So one can conceive of a being greater than the Q.
Originally posted by Robtard
Already posted passages from the old testament for you that tell us God is the "supreme being".
Well, yeah. But the indisputably written in the Bible smaller tri-versal Yahweh is not that being. Again, a supreme being is a concept, and while the Bible did say God was a supreme being, what he did in the Bible, up to and including his limited exnihliation of a mere 3 universes, is not above what the Q are capable of. When you think of God, you think of a being who is responsible for the creation of the omniverse (not the literal omniverse, but everything that you could possibly imagine exists). That is the concept. What was written of Yahweh, especially when compared to other fictional entities, is not nearly powerful to qualify as the epitome of that concept.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Their tech allows them to exnihilate universes on a whim, so it doesn't really matter. Not like Yahweh can conceive of more powerful tech, since everything that he could possibly created is only contained to a tri-verse.
He does not need to create tech, he decides by his choice on what is and what is not.
Before you were trying to convince us that Q was a supreme being, now its their tech that allows them to do things?
The tri-verse argument is moot, as a being that wanted to create only 3 wanted to do so, because Q supposedly created 4 alternate realities that were hoaxes, does not make him more powerful.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Well, yeah. But the [b] indisputably written in the Bible smaller tri-versal Yahweh is not that being.Again, a supreme being is a concept, and while the Bible did say God was a supreme being, what he did in the Bible, up to and including his limited exnihliation of a mere 3 universes, is not above what the Q are capable of.
When you think of God, you think of a being who is responsible for the creation of the omniverse (not the literal omniverse, but everything that you could possibly imagine exists). That is the concept. What was written of Yahweh, especially when compared to other fictional entities, is not nearly powerful to qualify as the epitome of that concept. [/B]
How is existing before everything and being the creator of everything out of nothingness limited? As pointed out, the concept of this supreme entity exist in Star Trek as well. eg Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (terrible film, btw) touched on it, even though what they found wasn't God.
I'm going to just ignore your "3 universe" and "4 universe" angle from now on, it's really silly as shown.
That's Morgan-God on film, the starting and ending point of everything. 'I am God." The being without peers. An infinite being. Many names describe "him", but it's the same being.
Originally posted by Robtard
How is existing before everything and being the creator of everything out of nothingness limited? As pointed out, the concept of this supreme entity exist in Star Trek as well.I'm going to just ignore your "3 universe" and "4 universe" angle from now on, it's really silly as shown.
That's Morgan-God on film, the starting and ending point of everything. 'I am God." The being without peers. An infinite being.
So you're saying that film God was literally the manifestation of mankind's concept of God, rather than the Biblical interpretation?
Originally posted by Lestov16
Picard speculated, rightfully so because it was a philosophical discussion about the nature of the Universe and God, which the Q clearly do not fully possess, about a being he's never met (and who, by biblical standards, presides over his universe) is directly relevant.
Fixed that for you.
You know, it isn't very hard at all for a "mere human" to speculate the definitional qualities of God when they themselves created those definitions. You're trying too hard to put shit on a pedestal: "ZOMG! You can never know the nature of Gawd Almeaty!" Wait...isn't that the same argument the theists make?
AHA! Gotcha. 😉
Originally posted by Lestov16
There are multiple supernatural beings in fiction who have "existed forever" who would get annihilated by the Q. Yahweh is no exception. Doesn't matter how long he's lived. He's limited to 3 universes, and that makes him considerably less powerful than the Q, and this is the only factor that actually matters.
Everything you said here is wrong.
I'll rewrite it to contain less idiocy:
There are multiple supernatural beings in fiction who have "existed forever" who would get annihilated by the Q but none of those would apply to this thread or situation. Lestov clearly does not understand the concepts of "uncreated", "infinite", and "Supreme Being." God is not limited by anything because of the very definition of what God is. Q, by his definition, is limited. That makes Q infinitely inferior to God, and these are not the only factors that matter.
Originally posted by Lestov16
There's a difference between the concept of a Supreme Being and the fictional versions which have been encountered in endless myths (including Yahweh). As stories such as Preacher show, just because a being is labelled, "God", doesn't mean they get all the attributes that we humans automatically like to associate with the word. We only go by what they were shown doing, and what Yahweh did pales in comparison to the Q.
The "God" of Preacher does not possess the same qualities as Yahweh. That being is not infinite and not perfect. Come on, this is basic Sunday school, stuff. lol
Originally posted by Lestov16
So you're saying that film God was literally the manifestation of mankind's concept of God, rather than the Biblical interpretation?
Morgan-God was God, as depicted in various religions, the being above all, the sole reason why anything/everything exist. You don't have to be religious or a believer to understand the concept of an infinite being.
eg I don't subscribe to the Holy Trinity belief; imo it is fiction, but I understand the concept. The Father = God(supreme being), The Son = Jesus(supreme being made flesh for a purpose), Holy Ghost = An expression of God's love(another facet of the supreme being). Like water can exist as a liquid, vapor or solid; all still water.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Everything in this here post is bullshit.
Originally posted by dadudemon
ToAA is the same exact being as Yahweh. Deal with it and stop being a butthurt baby.
Apart from telling us that TOAA is nothing like Yahweh whatsoever, this just goes to show how utterly lacking you are in terms of your comic knowledge.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Only an idiot (You) would believe ToAA is supposed to be anything but God.
Originally posted by dadudemon
For instance, check this stuff out (warning, religious zealotry...you have been warned. Read at your own peril):
Originally posted by dadudemon
And, despite your anti-Judeo-Christian agenda (get over it, man...you're pathetic...), God does not seem to care at all about His creation. Watch: "Hey, God, tell us your opinion about this thread, please?"See, nothing. 🙂
Originally posted by Robtard
Morgan-God was God, as depicted in various religions, the being above all, the sole reason why anything/everything exist. You don't have to be religious or a believer to understand the concept of an infinite being.eg I don't subscribe to the Holy Trinity belief; imo it is fiction, but I understand the concept. The Father = God(supreme being), The Son = Jesus(supreme being made flesh for a purpose), Holy Ghost = An expression of God's love(another facet of the supreme being). Like water can exist as a liquid, vapor or solid; all still water.
This is what happens when people drag religion into a debate involving fictional characters based on religious ones. I am guessing that the next time someone makes a vs thread involving a fictional version of Zeus, I'll just point out to Orphic texts to prove his omnipotence and claim that he stomps the thread, onscreen feats be damned.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
The Q Civil War in Voyager suggested that the Q were really just a race of beings whose technology made them seem like Gods to less advanced creatures like humans.
The Q's abilities are their own, and if it was tech which made them superior, then there would have been absolutely no conceivable way for Amanda Rogers to spontaneously develop her latent Q abilities during True Q.
Originally posted by Robtard
Stop ignoring the very concept of God and what that entails in regards to a MVF power-set.I get enough "no you" from another poster.
Here you go then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God "Supreme Being" right in the first sentence. Many facets, of the same infinite being. Be it Yahweh, Allah, Brahman or even as I mentioned, possibly Marvel's the One-Above-All.
And before you say it, yes, wiki is allowed as support in here. Read the MVF rules (rule #2) as proof if you think I'm BSing.
Why this thread went 10 pages, just silly.
Do you realize the number of times the term "Supreme Being" has been thrown around in fiction like how one discards a used tissue paper? I doubt so, considering your utter lack of any sort familiarity with how all-powerful characters' feats should be gauged.
If you'd wikied the Morweh God, then I would have had no problems with it. You didn't. You're confusing a fictional representation of another fictional character(the biblical God) with the thing that is based on to begin with. That's why I say that the Bible should never be brought up in anything apart from a chrisitianmingles.com forum discussion.
Because apparently you're too butthurt from realizing that the Almightyverse God is not anything more than a peer power-wise to just a single member of the QC. This further implies the horrendous spite that this fight is against the Morweh, which further exacerbates that butthurt of yours and every other dude that uses the Bible to support Morweh.
Originally posted by Robtard
"Supreme being" is fairly self explanatory.