Q Continuum vs God

Basically I see it as this. If you take Morgan God to be the avatar of the mere Abrahamic God, then he definitely goes down to the Q, and I can understand this argument because the Bible is what is most referenced in the Almightyverse. But if you take him to be the avatar of mankind's collective concept of God, the supreme being not of Christianity but all objective reality, who was merely impersonating the Abrahamic God to be easier understood, then I can see how he would be more powerful. I can see an argument either way.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Basically I see it as this. If you take Morgan God to be the avatar of the mere Abrahamic God, then he definitely goes down to the Q, and I can understand this argument because the Bible is what is most referenced in the Almightyverse. But if you take him to be the avatar of mankind's collective concept of God, the supreme being not of Christianity but all objective reality, who was merely impersonating the Abrahamic God to be easier understood, then I can see how he would be more powerful. I can see an argument either way.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Why did the female Q got her abilities temporarily decommissioned then?

The Q's abilities are their own, and if it was tech which made them superior, then there would have been absolutely no conceivable way for Amanda Rogers to spontaneously develop her latent Q abilities during True Q.

Originally posted by Epicurus
You sum up your own post in a perfectly accurate manner.

You'll have to do better than a "I know you are but what am I?"

Originally posted by Epicurus
TOAA is nothing like Yahweh.

I can stop reading, here, because anything you typed after this is going to be complete and utter bullshit.

Originally posted by Epicurus
For one, TOAA relies on another collaborator to create the stories set in the Marvelverse unlike Yahweh who is supposed to be a monotheistic deity.

hahahaha

Trying waaay too hard top avoid the obvious similarities. Just think about what you typed here and let it sink in why it is clearly idiocy.

Edit - Upon further review, it is possible that you're just plain ignorant of why this point you just made makes it seem like ToAA and Yahweh share a fundemental "sameness." Is there a Christian out there who is willing to indulge Epicurus for a bit to explain why he is proving my point?

Originally posted by Epicurus
Apart from telling us that TOAA is nothing like Yahweh whatsoever, this just goes to show how utterly lacking you are in terms of your comic knowledge.

You're a broken record, at this point.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Being God doesn't mean that he's Yahweh, mon ami. You might as start claiming that people like Franklin Richards and Haruhi Suzumiya are Yahweh while you're at this hilariously stupid Yahweh-dance.

No, them being the same being with different names means they are the same being with different names. 🙂

Originally posted by Epicurus
Trying to actually prove that a non-monotheistic supreme being, with much better and well-defined feats is the same thing as a shepherd-bullying egomaniac?

You mean that I showed that they are the same being, who just happens to have 2 different names? Yes, that's exactly what I did. It's so clearly plain that they are the same being that the only logical explanation for your continued replying is you are bored and trolling. Yes, that's the exact case.

Originally posted by Epicurus
If I thought that your previous post was nothing but a pile of bovine crap covered with a superficial membrane of intellectual posturing, then I clearly underestimated you. This post of yours goes far beyond the bs penned down in the previous one.😂

You're trying too hard, here. I think you're going for witty, here, but it comes off as forced and messy. Go back to the drawing board and try again. If you do a good job, I will praise you.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Bringing up antitheistic agendas in a hypothetical versus match between 2 fictional characters. So ddm of you.😂

Yes, how dare I bring up your antitheistic agenda to explain your motivations for why you're posting such shite idiocy. 🙂

Originally posted by Epicurus
Why did the female Q got her abilities temporarily decommissioned then?

Because Q are not actually omnipotent like God. 🙂

Originally posted by Epicurus
No it's not. There are literally dozens of supreme beings in fictional media. Actual screenfeats matter, and the screenfeats clearly tell us that the Q continuum vs God would be like pitting the entire US Army against an averagely trained combat sportsman.

No, this is wrong.

It would be like pitting an electron up against an infinitely powerful entity that has infinite wisdom.

Infinity -1 = infinity, broski.

The Q are finite in power and limited. Assume x is some positive real number: infinity - x = infinity

Originally posted by dadudemon
hahahaha

Trying waaay too hard top avoid the obvious similarities. Just think about what you typed here and let it sink in why it is clearly idiocy.

While we're at the subject of 1+1=1, I guess you should watch Incendies, since that actually supports your opinion.😂

Originally posted by dadudemon

Edit - Upon further review, it is possible that you're just plain ignorant of why this point you just made makes it seem like ToAA and Yahweh share a fundemental "sameness." Is there a Christian out there who is willing to indulge Epicurus for a bit to explain why he is proving my point?

Originally posted by dadudemon

You're a broken record, at this point.

Originally posted by dadudemon

No, them being the same being with different names means they are the same being with different names. 🙂

I am guessing Haruhi Suzumiya is Yahweh then? As well as the Lord Of Nightmares? You have 2 choices before you right now: either continue with this trollish Yahweh-dance or admit that you were making a retarded red herring and haven't got the first clue what you're talking about here.

Originally posted by dadudemon

You mean that I showed that they are the same being, who just happens to have 2 different names? Yes, that's exactly what I did. It's so clearly plain that they are the same being that the only logical explanation for your continued replying is you are bored and trolling. Yes, that's the exact case.

Originally posted by dadudemon

You're trying too hard, here. I think you're going for witty, here, but it comes off as forced and messy. Go back to the drawing board and try again. If you do a good job, I will praise you.

Yes, how dare I bring up your antitheistic agenda to explain your motivations for why you're posting such shite idiocy. 🙂

Still 😆ing at your paranoid delusion about me having some sort of hidden agenda when debating fictional characters in hypothetical match-ups on a Versus Forum.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Because Q are not actually omnipotent like God. 🙂

Morweh isn't omnipotent. Making a universe doesn't make you literally infinitely powerful and capable of doing literally anything.

Originally posted by dadudemon

No, this is wrong.

It would be like pitting an electron up against an infinitely powerful entity that has infinite wisdom.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Infinity -1 = infinity, broski.

The Q are finite in power and limited. Assume x is some positive real number: infinity - x = infinity

I am guessing you haven't heard of George Cantor or his work on transfinite numbers. Thought so.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The technology is integrated into their beings, but it doesn't mean it isn't technology, it's just technology we can't understand or perceive because it's so advanced.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Morweh isn't omnipotent. Making a universe doesn't make you literally infinitely powerful and capable of doing literally anything.

I agree, it's the fact that he is omnipotent that makes him omnipotent unlike the Q who have been demonstrated multiple times to not be omnipotent. 🙂

Originally posted by Epicurus
Says the guy who thought the Q had a higher level of omnipotence than God. 😂

*versatile

And I am allowed change my mind when I have been proven wrong. There is no shame in that. Only shame in continuing to be an ignorant idiot.

Originally posted by Epicurus
I am guessing you haven't heard of George Cantor or his work on transfinite numbers. Thought so.

I guess you haven't heard of discrete math and Hilbert's Infinite Hotel? Yes, you definitely haven't. 🙂

Look at me, I'm smarter and more educated than you. I am soooo superior to you. peaches

Originally posted by Epicurus
No, but it is absolutely certain that you ARE ignorant of what TOAA is. Or TOAA's feats. Or the fact that it works in conjunction with another entity to construct the Marvel Omniverse.

lol

Nothing about that, at all, is ringing a bell for you?

Originally posted by Epicurus
TOAA isn't the same being as the Biblical God with a different name.

This is wrong. I already provided another religious source that pretty much describes ToAA. 🙂

Originally posted by Epicurus
The biblical God actually exists in the Marvel universe, and he is more akin to a skyfather like Odin or Zeus instead of The Supreme Being.

haha, you're trolling. No way you're serious.

Originally posted by Epicurus
For more information, I'll refer you to operator616 on the Comic versus boards. He's a virtual encyclopedia of comics, no matter how obscure or non-mainstream they may be..

For more information, I refer you to deez nutz.

Originally posted by Epicurus
There is literally no proof that their abilities are derived from technology instead of a super-advanced biology.

Well, except for the part where Q says that the Q were once like humans in reference to their abilities and that humans will one day become like the Q (but more powerful).

At this point, you're going out of your way to play word semantics. The Q didn't just spontaneously become godlike. That's expressly not how Q described it.

The implications of the episode and the conversation surrounding it is basically indicating that the humans would progress, technologically, enough to ascend into a Q-like state...and then beyond.

edit - Omega Vision is correct. Even if they gave themselves some super advanced form of gene therapy to ascend from human-like to godlike, that's still technologically based.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Except Morweh was never shown to be an infinite being. Not even close to anything like what you're insinuating here.

This is what happens when people drag religion into a debate involving fictional characters based on religious ones. I am guessing that the next time someone makes a vs thread involving a fictional version of Zeus, I'll just point out to Orphic texts to prove his omnipotence and claim that he stomps the thread, onscreen feats be damned.

Yeah, he did.

Except Zeus isn't the "supreme being" even in classic Greek religion. He's not 'the beginning and the end of all', he's little more than a bisexual with daddy issues and a penchant for bestiality. You don't even religion, dude.

edit: Just realized Nemebro and classical Zeus share some similarities

Originally posted by Epicurus
The "concept of God" here is limited to the movie from which said God is being selected to be pitted against Q.

Do you realize the number of times the term "Supreme Being" has been thrown around in fiction like how one discards a used tissue paper? I doubt so, considering your utter lack of any sort familiarity with how all-powerful characters' feats should be gauged.

If you'd wikied the Morweh God, then I would have had no problems with it. You didn't. You're confusing a fictional representation of another fictional character(the biblical God) with the thing that is based on to begin with. That's why I say that the Bible should never be brought up in anything apart from a chrisitianmingles.com forum discussion.

Because apparently you're too butthurt from realizing that the Almightyverse God is not anything more than a peer power-wise to just a single member of the QC. This further implies the horrendous spite that this fight is against the Morweh, which further exacerbates that butthurt of yours and every other dude that uses the Bible to support Morweh.

You're just coming off as mad now. Morgan-God was God. The infinite being above all others. As he stated.

Originally posted by Epicurus
No it's not. There are literally dozens of supreme beings in fictional media. Actual screenfeats matter, and the screenfeats clearly tell us that the Q continuum vs God would be like pitting the entire US Army against an averagely trained combat sportsman.

You're still not getting the concept of "God" as the one and only infinite being. ie the "Supreme Being", singular.

Originally posted by Epicurus
The "concept of God" here is limited to the movie from which said God is being selected to be pitted against Q.

okay, OV posted a vid in the other thread and it got me interested the Q character. I don't have time to watch a bunch of episodes, but i read the wiki on Q.

First off, the way they call themselves The Q, while also being named Q and coming from The Q Continuum, is confusing af...

g007-psyduck

there had to have been an easier way.

Anyhow, a few things stuck out to me, (1) they can have their powers taken away, (2) they can be killed, (3) they weren't always what they are, they apparently evolved into their current state, and (4) they can apparently be influenced by lesser beings.

All of those things speak to them not being omnipotent.

The Q are reality warpers, and i wonder about the logic behind saying a reality warper (granted, a really high level one) is more powerful than a being who created the very reality they are manipulating.

MorganGod didn't create the Star Trek universe though.

The internets say the bible exists in the Star Trek universe, as do other references to Christianity and other faiths. The internets also say that most of the characters in Star Trek are pretty much non-theists/atheists who value science over religion... makes sense considering it's a SCIENCE fiction show. However, the existence of the bible and other real world faiths within Star Trek's universe more than suggests that it's like real life (except obviously fictionalized) wherein the existence of God is incapable of being completely proved or disproved.

Now, since the bible exists in Star Trek, and MorganGod is a version of the literal creator the bible in both the real world and the Star Trek universe speaks of, wouldn't that make MorganGod the literal creator of the Star Trek universe and subsequently, the Q?

Humanity did away with religion by and large in the 22nd century, iirc.

The concept of God still exist within humanity and other races of Star Trek though. Doctor Leonard "Bones" McCoy is somewhat of a religious person, as an example.

they did away with it, but the book still exists... the book is MorganGod's origin.

Wait.. when did the Q create a universe or a galaxy.. when did this happen? We know for a fact God did... when did a Q?

there are galaxies in the universe, which God created.

not really relevant, just thought it was weird that you mentioned galaxy after you already said universe.

😛

I think he meant "when did they create a universe or even a galaxy".