Redeemed Revan (before he was held in stasis and tortured by the Sith Emperor) could beat Galen Marek (who is stronger than Vader, but that's irrelevant).
Malak, however, is far weaker than Revan. There's no way he could take on Vader, Marek, or Ventress, even with Battle Meditation on his side.
It really comes down to Bastila. On her own, her dueling abilities are not that special. But she has a deep, fundamental connection with Revan through the Force. They are stronger together. Her Battle Meditation would help in the beginning of the fight, yet Malak would still fall. Bastila would have to step in.
So then it would be Revan and Bastila vs Vader, Marek, and Ventress. I can't see the former two winning against those odds. Maybe if they only faced Vader and Ventress, but Marek was so strong he almost bested Darth Sidious, who of course is known as the most powerful Sith in Star Wars history.
Ventress would probably die at the hands of Revan near the middle of the fight. Still, I'd have to give this battle to Vader and Marek; together, they are too damn good.
The only reason Marek lost was because he sacrificed himself for the people he cared about. Don't you remember when he willingly took the brute force of Sidious' lightning? That was the whole point of his story. Marek grew as a character. It is well known that Marek held the potential to be the greatest Force user in history. He never made it to that point, but he was close. The battle between Sidious and him proves that. He was well adept at absorbing and redirecting energy, which was almost enough to beat the Dark Lord of the Sith. Marek didn't beat him in the end, and I never inferred that he did. But he held his own.
Originally posted by DarknessX7
The only reason Marek lost was because he sacrificed himself for the people he cared about. Don't you remember when he willingly took the brute force of Sidious' lightning? That was the whole point of his story. Marek grew as a character. It is well known that Marek held the potential to be the greatest Force user in history. He never made it to that point, but he was close. The battle between Sidious and him proves that. He was well adept at absorbing and redirecting energy, which was almost enough to beat the Dark Lord of the Sith. Marek didn't beat him in the end, and I never inferred that he did. But he held his own.
Suggesting that a guy who barely beat pre-ANH Vader would come close to matching, "the most powerful sith lord in history," isn't a very convincing standpoint to begin with. Couple that with the fact that Sidious wasn't even hurt and Marek was, well, paste, and that Sidious wasn't giving it his complete all, and that he's canonically no match for Sidious...
When did Sidious ever say he held back against Marek in the final battle? He wanted Marek as an apprentice because of his power. Sidious even said at one point in the game that Marek's strength in the Force could match his one day.
I don't know why it's so hard to believe. I mean, if that's what you want to think, then you are entitled to your opinion. But yeah, Marek almost beat Sidious. And Sidious even asked Marek to kill him. That's how powerful Marek was. He could have striked if Kota hadn't been there to bring him back from the edge of the dark side.
Now, yes. Sidious was just goading him to strike in order to give into his hatred. In all likelihood, Sidious felt confident enough that he could survive, which doesn't change the fact that it was a close battle.
Anyway, we are diverting from the original topic. Sidious isn't in this battle, so it doesn't matter. Marek was a strong Force user. Period. With that in mind, let's keep discussing his power in relation to Revan, Bastila, or Malak, since he would be facing them in this hypothetical scenario.
Originally posted by DarknessX7
When did Sidious ever say he held back against Marek in the final battle? He wanted Marek as an apprentice because of his power. Sidious even said at one point in the game that Marek's strength in the Force could match his one day.I don't know why it's so hard to believe. I mean, if that's what you want to think, then you are entitled to your opinion. But yeah, Marek almost beat Sidious. And Sidious even asked Marek to kill him. That's how powerful Marek was. He could have striked if Kota hadn't been there to bring him back from the edge of the dark side.
Now, yes. Sidious was just goading him to strike in order to give into his hatred. In all likelihood, Sidious felt confident enough that he could survive, which doesn't change the fact that it was a close battle.
Anyway, we are diverting from the original topic. Sidious isn't in this battle, so it doesn't matter. Marek was a strong Force user. Period. With that in mind, let's keep discussing his power in relation to Revan, Bastila, or Malak, since he would be facing them in this hypothetical scenario.
The Emperor: You were destined to destroy me. Do it. Give in to your hatred! [Galen raises his lightsaber for the deathblow when Kota stops him]
Rahm Kota: He's beaten. Let it go.
Galen Marek: It's a trick! He's stronger than you know, and he deserves to die for what he's done to me!
Rahm Kota: Maybe so, but if you strike him down in anger, you'll be right back where you began.
[Galen takes a deep breath, calms down and puts away his lightsaber]
Originally posted by DarknessX7
You took his line out of context. Marek said Sidious asking him to strike him down was a trick. Then Marek said immediately afterwards that Sidious deserved to die. He wanted to do it, and he believed he could. Only Kota brought him back to the light.
Hell, even the book has Galen cheapshotting Sidious and catching him off guard before Sidious does the whole "kill me, DEW IT!" thing.
Galen is not on Sidious's tier, period.