http://web.archive.org/web/20090601195716/http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=starwars/article/S3Puzzle2 😉
It is right below the picture. It is literally the only description of the page that is not game mechanics (thank God).
The archive is also filled with stuff about Krayt and Starkiller. If someone would spend the time to collect them all, everyone would be awe in them most likely, especially over my findings of Starkiller in the CG.
Originally posted by DarknessX7
Sidious could have killed Maul in the end, but he didn't; this is true. However, Maul lasted during the battle itself, even for a brief moment after Opress was killed and before Maul was disarmed. That means a lot. Sidious' skill in lightsaber combat is enough to prove it without me having to go on.
I guess we have different views on what can be considered an "average" Jedi Master's level, and what Malak's power would be if he wasn't strengthened by the Star Forge. If we take a look at those on Dantooine during KotOR, then Malak could defeat them in a heartbeat. However, when we take a look at all of the Jedi Masters in Star Wars history, the average level of power becomes much higher. I would argue that Malak, without the power he gained from the Star Forge, would have a tough time beating the likes of Kyle Katarn, Atris, or Cin Drallig. I would further argue that the majority of Malak's dark side power came from the Star Forge, and without it, he would never have stood against the likes of Revan as anything kin to a real threat, as witnessed when Revan disarmed Malak and crushed his jaw. But for the time period, I agree. Malak would have bested the majority of masters. I was referring to all of Star Wars history, since the original subject of this thread dealt with an overarching timeline of characters.
I fail to see how that weakens my argument over how much stronger Revan was, since that was the context in which it was placed.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
"My opinions that have no basis in this discussion nor bring up a comparison to Malak," is a lot less to write.
You need to actually follow the conversation to understand what bearing it has on Malak. You were the one who questioned Maul's skill against Sidious, so I'm not sure what you expected.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
And if you're seriously saying that Atris who is around during the Jedi Civil War could somehow beat Malak, please explain to me why she didn't?
Because no one was suicidal enough to journey out into unknown territory against an entire fleet of Sith without any knowledge as the where the Star Forge resided. Even Revan wasn't so blind as to go gallivanting into unknown regions without reacquiring the Star Forge's position. Additionally, Malak was fueled with power from the Star Forge throughout his entire reign as Dark Lord of the Sith. How would Atris even get close enough to him, and how could she stand against such dark side energy? Context. It's all about the context.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That's probably because you didn't read what I wrote and just responded again. That quote had nothing to do with Malak's strength, so it has no place here.
I responded directly to what you wrote. You even said:
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
this being because he couldn't defeat Revan as he is now.
I am limited to my responses by your statements, which I thought were perfectly acceptable to discuss. If you don't think what Malak said had bearing on Malak's strength, then you shouldn't have inferred that his quote meant Malak was admitting he couldn't defeat Revan. Because that has everything to do with his strength. I think it does too, which is why I brought in the initial quote.
Finally, if you don't like opinions, you probably shouldn't be discussing fictional characters on a forum littered with fans. I like opinions. I don't always agree with them, but they are a part of every discussion. Your opinion is that my opinions have no backing. And that's fine. I can't convince you otherwise, and I'm okay with that. But I'll still discuss the story, the characters, and anything else pertaining to the topics at hand.