Revan, Malak, and Bastila VS Vader,Galen, and asajj Ventress .

Originally posted by DarknessX7
You need to actually follow the conversation to understand what bearing it has on Malak. You were the one who questioned Maul's skill against Sidious, so I'm not sure what you expected.

Because no one was suicidal enough to journey out into unknown territory against an entire fleet of Sith without any knowledge as the where the Star Forge resided. Even Revan wasn't so blind as to go gallivanting into unknown regions without reacquiring the Star Forge's position. Additionally, Malak was fueled with power from the Star Forge throughout his entire reign as Dark Lord of the Sith. How would Atris even get close enough to him, and how could she stand against such dark side energy? Context. It's all about the context.

I responded directly to what you wrote. You even said:

I am limited to my responses by your statements, which I thought were perfectly acceptable to discuss. If you don't think what Malak said had bearing on Malak's strength, then you shouldn't have inferred that his quote meant Malak was admitting he couldn't defeat Revan. Because that has everything to do with his strength. I think it does too, which is why I brought in the initial quote.

Finally, if you don't like opinions, you probably shouldn't be discussing fictional characters on a forum littered with fans.

I like opinions. I don't always agree with them, but they are a part of every discussion. Your opinion is that my opinions have no backing. And that's fine. I can't convince you otherwise, and I'm okay with that. But I'll still discuss the story, the characters, and anything else pertaining to the topics at hand.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Nope. The point is, Maul being able to defend briefly against Sidious holding back has no pertaining to this conversation. It doesn't show Malak, who has not and never will, hopefully, met either is weak. Malak is stated to be a fine duelist in a time before both sides stopped learning a lot of their techniques. So if you're not sure what I expected, I expected something relevant.

You brought up Maul and Sidious without involving Malak right here:

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Sidious was soloing him and his brother, and was planning to take Maul back alive. This means nothing.

Before your response, I specifically mentioned Malak in relation to Maul. Don't pass this one off on me simply because I was responding to your statement.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Malak is not drawing on the Star Forge when he's not at the Star Forge, and it didn't follow him around, the star it was powered on, in tow.

Clap on, clap off - The Star Forge? I don't think so. Revan limited his contact with it because the Star Forge corrupts. It was semi-living. The longer you stay on board, the more it feeds off your dark side energy. Malak allowed it to. It's beautiful, really. It corrupts an individual so that he will feed it as he grows in the dark side. Being away from the Star Forge for a short time doesn't mean you're not corrupted by its influence anymore, otherwise it would be ineffective at controlling people. Sure, if Malak was away long enough, he would be okay. But that wasn't the case.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Malak isn't fighting Revan here.

Actually, Malak just lost to Revan after an extensive one on one battle.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Maul killing Jinn is a feat. Maul pressing Obi-wan(TCW) is a feat. Maul being destroyed by Sidious proves nothing except for that Maul got beat by Sidious.

That's a bit one-sided. Losses can be considered feats, depending on the opponent, the time spent, and numerous other reasons within a fight. For example, when Luke faced himself on Dagobah, he failed the test, and he failed again when he lost his hand later, but eventually learned a valuable lesson. That lesson is a feat. It's an achievement, as were instances in Maul's duel with Sidious.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Your stating that Kyle Katarn can solo a bunch of Jedi Masters because reasons, means absolutely nothing here.

I never stated Kyle Katarn could solo a bunch of Jedi Masters. lol Where did I even hint that?

Originally posted by DarknessX7
You brought up Maul and Sidious without involving Malak right here:

Before your response, I specifically mentioned Malak in relation to Maul. Don't pass this one off on me simply because I was responding to your statement.

I never stated Kyle Katarn could solo a bunch of Jedi Masters. lol Where did I even hint that?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You didn't mention anything. You spoke of Malak being no match for Maul, naming off a bunch of Maul's skills. You're the one who brought it up, and used Sidious' duel with him as a reason Malak would fall to Maul. You're the one claiming Malak is average, when clearly that was never stated.

I clearly referenced Malak's aggressive, one-handed style in lightsaber combat.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
He is not feeding off of its power when he is away from it. Malak did not need the Star Forge to kill anyone or to be powerful. Arguably, the only one he really needed it to face was Revan.

That is your opinion, and I feel it necessary to point out that you have not supported it with a lick of fact, since that is exactly what you have been accusing me of doing. Before the Star Forge, Malak was a promising Jedi Knight with a skill in combat and great Force potential, as seen when he alongside several others, which included Revan, felt the destruction of Serroco. But Malak couldn't defeat Mandalore. He tried and failed. He was struck down with a battle axe. Those are the facts.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Actually, that's not the point of this thread. In this scenario, they are not fighting. That point is irrelevant. Forum feat for a forum duel. Luke being able to fight Vader multiple times without dying is a feat. Him learning a life lesson isn't.

The lesson is a feat when it directly affected the last battle aboard the Death Star. Luke learned to calm his mind, disregard his anger, and channel the opposite of Dun Möch, which influenced his father to feel compassion, and ultimately allowed Anakin to break the hold the dark side had on him and destroy Sidious’ body. It's a feat not many could do in Luke’s place, and what made the climax of the story so powerful. Yes, the lesson was a feat.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You saying that Malak was no match for other Jedi Masters, such as Kyle Katarn, with no basis says otherwise, especially when you brought up that he got most of his power from the Star Forge, completely disregarding he was powerful, even without its use.

I also never said Malak was no match for other Jedi Masters. I said he would have a tough time beating the likes of Kyle Katarn, Atris, or Cin Drallig without the power he gained from the Star Forge. I don’t mind if you disagree with my statements, but at this point, you are twisting my words to try to prove me wrong, and I no longer feel obligated to respond.

NOTE: Well guys,. we are all stupid. I replayed the final fight and you smack down Malak 9 times...not 7. There are 8 Jedi captured, lol.

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I really doubt they could use to Force. Doesn't Saul actually say they can't?

No, it's not.
Ok, so it's completely non-canon then? Thanks for clearing that up.

And I killed him as well in the game, after Zalbaar had beaten him down to 10 health. Just because Revan got the killing blow, that doesn't mean anything. It was a group fight. Theres no indication they paired up.

So as I said, they weren't being compared.

I can't even remember what the point of this is. The fact remains that Revan>>>>>>>>>Malak.

Originally posted by DarknessX7
I clearly referenced Malak's aggressive, one-handed style in lightsaber combat.

That is your opinion, and I feel it necessary to point out that you have not supported it with a lick of fact, since that is exactly what you have been accusing me of doing. Before the Star Forge, Malak was a promising Jedi Knight with a skill in combat and great Force potential, as seen when he alongside several others, which included Revan, felt the destruction of Serroco. But Malak couldn't defeat Mandalore. He tried and failed. He was struck down with a battle axe. Those are the facts.

The lesson is a feat when it directly affected the last battle aboard the Death Star. Luke learned to calm his mind, disregard his anger, and channel the opposite of Dun Möch, which influenced his father to feel compassion, and ultimately allowed Anakin to break the hold the dark side had on him and destroy Sidious’ body. It's a feat not many could do in Luke’s place, and what made the climax of the story so powerful. Yes, the lesson was a feat.

an achievement that requires great courage, skill, or strength.

But more importantly, in a forum duel, feats are about showing of power or skill. Luke beating Vader is a feat. The reason for not killing him is not.

I also never said Malak was no match for other Jedi Masters. I said he would have a tough time beating the likes of Kyle Katarn, Atris, or Cin Drallig without the power he gained from the Star Forge. I don’t mind if you disagree with my statements, but at this point, you are twisting my words to try to prove me wrong, and I no longer feel obligated to respond.

Malak would plow over Atris, lol ^

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