Revan, Malak, and Bastila VS Vader,Galen, and asajj Ventress .

Could have been, not has become

Originally posted by PTforthewin
In the darkside ending Sid states that he could have been more powerful then him or equal to him

Originally posted by Emperordmb
The dark side ending shows that Galen in TFU would get stomped by Sidious, yet TFU II Starkiller, who is stronger, was only equal to Vader years before Vader's prime.

Hell, even the book has Galen cheapshotting Sidious and catching him off guard before Sidious does the whole "kill me, DEW IT!" thing.

Marek caught him off guard? Come on, a fight is a fight. How many times has Sidious caught someone off guard? A lot. That's why he's the Dark Lord of the Sith. There are no cheap shots when you are fighting to live. You either do everything you can to survive, or die. Marek ended up dying, but he saved his friends. That's why people call his death a sacrifice, because he didn't have to do it.

And in TFU II, the Starkiller clone barely beat Vader while the original Galen Marek deftly surpassed his master in the first game.

He was never confirmed a clone so he isn't a clone

That's up for debate. The evidence supports that he was a clone. He believed he was and he was shown the dead body of his original. I'm open to the possibility of a twist that he's the original in future stories and everything was simply set up to confuse him. Until then, though, I'm pretty sure he was a clone who managed to reconcile with the memories that haunted him.

Originally posted by DarknessX7
Malak, however, is far weaker than Revan.

Normal Malak is, yes.

Nah. I been gathering some accolades to prove this isn't true, give me a minute to collect them all together.

"Many of the most powerful, terrifying, and notorious Sith Lords through history have been Human or near-Human, including Exar Kun, Darth Malak, Darth Bane, Darth Sidious, Darth Vader, and Darth Krayt."
―Behind the Threat: The Sith

"When Revan fell we had hoped the Sith threat was ended. But Malak quickly assumed Revan's role, and has embraced the dark side power as fully as his old master ever did. Now Malak leads the Sith armada against the Republic. Hate and vengeance for his master's death draw Malak ever further down the path of the dark side, fueling his powers until they sup ass those of his old master."
―Vandar Tokare (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic)

"With each passing moment your own apprentice becomes stronger, Master."
―Bastila Shan (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic)

"Bastila, you and...the Padawan... should join us. We will need the combined strength of our entire Order to defeat Malak."
―Vandar Tokare (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic)

"You mean why did I betray you, Revan. You are the one who taught me the ways of the Sith: the strongest must rule if we are to survive! You knew I would one day challenge you for supremacy,b ut you underestimated me. I acted sooner than you expected and seized the Sith throne with a single brilliant stroke...Once you were stronger then me, Revan. But as an apprentice I suprassed you. The Master must always be stronger than the apprentice, that was why I betrayed you. I was prepared to face you, Revan. But fate presented me with a better option. I saw my opportunity and seized it"
―Darth Malak (Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic)

It seems the proper level of power is (I hate chains but it works the best in this situation):
Revan (Star Forge)>Darth Malak (Star Forge)>Darth Malak (Leviathan)>=Darth Revan (Pre-KotOR)>Darth Malak (Pre-KotOR)>>All Other Jedi/Sith in the Republic/Sith Empire.

"sup ass"?

*suprass.

"suprass"?

*surpass.

Haha, you ****ed up.

Anyway, yeah your order is right but Star Forge Revan is still well above Malak and his former self. He kicked his ass multiple times with Malak being amped and with Revan having to wear himself out in battle after battle after battle.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Haha, you ****ed up.

Anyway, yeah your order is right but Star Forge Revan is still well above Malak and his former self. He kicked his ass multiple times with Malak being amped and with Revan having to wear himself out in battle after battle after battle.

Reported for being underage.

Except he shouldn't be.
He only went to two worlds after his defeat at Malak, Korriban and Lehon. By Lehon I calculated he would be at Darth Revan's level, which Bastila Shan actually implies:
"Your mind was too badly damaged to ever full restore your memories, Revan. But your power, your strength of will, the essence of who and what you are: these things still remain!"

Revan would have then surpassed his former self on the Star Forge, as Malak states when you confront him. I seriously doubt he would have also surpassed Malak by *that much* so quickly. Especially when both Drew and TORE state the battle was difficult and intense:
"Revan then confronted Datrth Malak himself in a fierce duel, but Revan prevailed and finally defeated Darth Malak."
"...that [Star Forge] battle would have been a brutal, hard fought affair spread over multiple pages."

Revan smacking down Malak all those times are a demonstration of Revan's powers, not a destruction of Malak's.

Originally posted by DarknessX7
Marek caught him off guard? Come on, a fight is a fight. How many times has Sidious caught someone off guard? A lot. That's why he's the Dark Lord of the Sith. There are no cheap shots when you are fighting to live. You either do everything you can to survive, or die. Marek ended up dying, but he saved his friends. That's why people call his death a sacrifice, because he didn't have to do it.

Originally posted by DarknessX7
And in TFU II, the Starkiller clone barely beat Vader while the original Galen Marek deftly surpassed his master in the first game.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Except he shouldn't be.
He only went to two worlds after his defeat at Malak, Korriban and Lehon. By Lehon I calculated he would be at Darth Revan's level, which Bastila Shan actually implies:
"Your mind was too badly damaged to ever full restore your memories, Revan. But your power, your strength of will, the essence of who and what you are: these things still remain!"

Revan would have then sup assed his former self on the Star Forge, as Malak states when you confront him. I seriously doubt he would have also surpassed Malak by *that much* so quickly. Especially when both Drew and TORE state the battle was difficult and intense:
"Revan then confronted Datrth Malak himself in a fierce duel, but Revan prevailed and finally defeated Darth Malak."
"...that [Star Forge] battle would have been a brutal, hard fought affair spread over multiple pages."

[b]Revan smacking down Malak all those times are a demonstration of Revan's powers, not a destruction of Malak's. [/B]

I don't give a shit about your calculations. Not to b rude or anything. There's nothing supporting it, Revan could have easily surpassed himself on the final world and gone further on Lehon. It doesn't matter what he "should have" done according to you when the actual evidence suggests differently.

Yeah it was a rough fight. When Malak was amped. And could regenerate like 7 times. And Revan had to fight through an army to SF droids and Sith to get to him. Unamped, with a fresh Revan and only 1 round and Revan would curbstomp Malak. Not because Malak sucks, although he kind of does, but because Revan actually is just that much better than him.

I'll reply soon.