Revan, Malak, and Bastila VS Vader,Galen, and asajj Ventress .

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Except he shouldn't be.
He only went to two worlds after his defeat at Malak, Korriban and Lehon. By Lehon I calculated he would be at Darth Revan's level, which Bastila Shan actually implies:
"Your mind was too badly damaged to ever full restore your memories, Revan. But your power, your strength of will, the essence of who and what you are: these things still remain!"

Revan would have then surpassed his former self on the Star Forge, as Malak states when you confront him. I seriously doubt he would have also surpassed Malak by *that much* so quickly. Especially when both Drew and TORE state the battle was difficult and intense:
"Revan then confronted Datrth Malak himself in a fierce duel, but Revan prevailed and finally defeated Darth Malak."
"...that [Star Forge] battle would have been a brutal, hard fought affair spread over multiple pages."

[b]Revan smacking down Malak all those times are a demonstration of Revan's powers, not a destruction of Malak's. [/B]

You didn't take into account that Malak was fueled by the Star Forge while Revan withstood its corruption. Malak had to fire his ships at Revan, because he was too scared to face his master. Also, whenever you play KotOR, you will see in the descriptions in between loading that Revan was the stronger of the two, and Malak grudgingly took the role of apprentice.

Malak could never stand against Revan's power. By the end of KotOR, Revan alone without any help from the Star Forge was stronger than Malak, who had to steal the life energy of captured Jedi to merely survive. And Malak still lost.

Malak without the help of the Star Forge could be considered on par with an average Jedi Master. But he would never stand against Ventress, Vader, or Marek.

Revan is far beyond Malak. The only instance where Malak almost beat him without the help of the Star Forge was during the Leviathan, after Revan had taken on the entire ship of Sith. lol

Malak without the help of the Star Forge could be considered on par with an average Jedi Master. But he would never stand against Ventress, Vader, or Marek.

Neph, I'm replying to you now. Quite frankly I feel DarknessX7's argument doesn't even deserve a response,but I'll do his now first anyway since they are embarrassing.

Eh, I put Malak on par with Ventress I guess. Maul is as high as I go.

You cannot possibly think that Malak was one of the most powerful Sith in history. Against Bane? Against Malgus? Against Naga Sadow? Against Exar Kun? Against Caedus? Against Nihilus? Against Vader? Against Marek? Against Sidious?

Do you see where I'm going with this? Malak without the Star Forge is not even close to the most powerful Sith in history.

Holy ****, someone help you.
"Many of the most powerful, terrifying, and notorious Sith Lords through history have been Human or near-Human, including Exar Kun, Darth Malak, Darth Bane, Darth Sidious, Darth Vader, and Darth Krayt."
―Behind the Threat: The Sith

To begin with, remove the Revan profile picture. Only those worthy can have such a thing. You are not among those.

You didn't take into account that Malak was fueled by the Star Forge while Revan withstood its corruption.

Malak had to fire his ships at Revan, because he was too scared to face his master.

Also, whenever you play KotOR, you will see in the descriptions in between loading that Revan was the stronger of the two, and Malak grudgingly took the role of apprentice.

Malak could never stand against Revan's power. By the end of KotOR, Revan alone without any help from the Star Forge was stronger than Malak, who had to steal the life energy of captured Jedi to merely survive. And Malak still lost.

after Revan had taken on the entire ship of Sith. lol

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Damn, you make PTforthewin look good.
[b]Darth Malak: "Once you were stronger then me, Revan. But as an apprentice I surpassed you. The Master must always be stronger than the apprentice, that was why I betrayed you."
Revan: "You betrayed me from afar! You were afraid to face me, Malak."
Darth Malak:: "No! I was prepared to face you. But fate presented me with a better option."
Go and play the game actually, then come back. [/B]

It's not wise to insult someone debating ability then completely take an ******* like Malak at his word. His own arrogant opinion is irrelevant.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan excels in the art of Force Healing, he would have been fine by then, especially when only being confronted by 10ish Dark Jedi, in which he aid from Bastila Shan and Carth Onasi.

Reborn Revan does. Leviathan Revan though?

Also don't forget that Revan had been freaking tortured as well prior to that.

I'm curious what that word is with so many *'s.
His own arrogant opinion is not irrelevant when it is supported by Vander, Bastila, and every Dark Jedi in the game.

Also don't forget that Revan had been freaking tortured as well prior to that.

Reborn Revan does. Leviathan Revan though?

It rhymes with "glasshole".

That Malak is more powerful than Revan?

How do you know he'd have recovered by then? Getting repeatedly electrocuted isn't something you brush off.

Game mechanics ftl.

That Malak is more powerful than Revan?

How do you know he'd have recovered by then? Getting repeatedly electrocuted isn't something you brush off.

Unamped, with a fresh Revan and only 1 round and Revan would curbstomp Malak. Not because Malak sucks, although he kind of does, but because Revan actually is just that much better than him.

I'm tired of you shitting on Malak every topic you see of him, Nephthys. Let's finish this, shall we?

Revan would not curbstomp Darth Malak, that is silly.
Darth Malak is stated an "extraordinary) powerful Sith Lord who is compared to the power of Exar Kun on numerous occasions. On top of this, he is confirmed to me among " the most powerful, terrifying, and notorious Sith Lords through history" and is also compared to the likes of Darth Sidious himself. Being also a "master of the Dark Side of the Force" who's...
Telekinesis can temporarily suspend Revan or hurl a Mandalorian hundreds of feet across the Senate Building.
Lightning can kill Jedi instantly on contact.
Stun is capable of incapacitating even the likes of Revan.
Saber Skills which is apparently better then Revan's, who's is highly impressive.

Yes, despite the massive amp, Darth Malak was defeated several times, but why is that a reason to hate on Malak? It is not as if Revan defeated 7 Darth Malak's at once. Knocking down Malak each time reconfirms the fact Revan is Malak's superior, and that Revan can not only contend with the higher tiers, but can defeat them. It is not as if Revan curbs each Darth Malak seven times, if that is the truth, the fight wouldn't "have been a brutal, hard fought affair spread over multiple pages." Each defeat of Malak was difficult, and demonstrates that no matter how many attempts, and regardless of how close you are to him, it is extremely difficult to defeat Revan in combat more times then he can defeat you.

I can't actually argue with someone who believes Malak can be compared with Sidious. lol Sure, we can list their feats, so if that's what you meant, then fine. But Malak is nowhere near Sidious' level.

I'm sorry, but you are using so many quotes, it's hilarious. They are nice, but only if used when mixed with actual research on the characters themselves, not what people say about them. Match up Malak's powers and abilities (without the Star Forge) to the majority of the most powerful Sith Lords in history, and you will see that he's on the low end of the spectrum.

We could debate where he lies on the level of power, which makes for an interesting discussion, and I have nothing against Malak, but his power without and even with the Star Forge clearly cannot be likened to Sidious'. If you don't see that, then we've lost you to the dark side. All you have to do is the smallest amount of research on the characters to see that Sidious could crush Malak without breaking a sweat.

I can't actually argue with someone who believes Malak can be compared with Sidious. lol Sure, we can list their feats, so if that's what you meant, then fine. But Malak is nowhere near Sidious' level.

Match up Malak's powers and abilities (without the Star Forge) to the majority of the most powerful Sith Lords in history, and you will see that he's on the low end of the spectrum.

PS: I see you still have your profile picture up, I am annoyed. :/

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
That Darth Malak eventually surpassed Darth Revan.

Quotes? Also how the hay would they know?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He's not injured and holding his shoulder in future cutscenes.

That he's not holding his shoulder means nothing. He was electrocuted, not stabbed in the arm. He could still easily be weakened from the damage electricity does to you.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

I'm tired of you shitting on Malak every topic you see of him, Nephthys. Let's finish this, shall we?

lol umad

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan would not curbstomp Darth Malak, that is silly.
Darth Malak is stated an "extraordinary" powerful Sith Lord who is compared to the power of Exar Kun on numerous occasions.

Isn't that just whats written on the back of a freaking toy box? Your source is Hasbro, who do not have the authority to make canon judgements (you know, before Malak became noncanon blahblah).

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
On top of this, he is confirmed to me among " the most powerful, terrifying, and notorious Sith Lords through history" and is also compared to the likes of Darth Sidious himself.

It was simply rattling off a list of human Sith. Being mentioned in the same sentence isn't a comparison. Also as I said he can be one of the most powerful Sith and still suck in comparison to Revan, since that's a highly variable phrase.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Being also a "master of the Dark Side of the Force" who's...

Noooo shit. What named Sith isn't a master of the Dark Side?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Telekinesis can temporarily suspend Revan or hurl a Mandalorian hundreds of feet across the Senate Building.

Suspend a featless Revan. The Mandalorian is a good feat. A good feat.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Lightning can kill Jedi instantly on contact.

On the Star Forge.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Stun is capable of incapacitating even the likes of Revan.

A featless Revan.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Saber Skills which is apparently better then Revan's, who's is highly impressive.

Better than Shitty McShitterson? Wow. 😛

Revan is no more skilled than Obi-Wan or someone. And that's just Drews opinion? I think, that Malak was more skilled than him. Although I don't see that actually being said in your respect thread.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Yes, despite the massive amp, Darth Malak was defeated several times, but why is that a reason to hate on Malak? It is not as if Revan defeated 7 Darth Malak's at once. Knocking down Malak each time reconfirms the fact Revan is Malak's superior, and that Revan can not only contend with the higher tiers, but can defeat them. It is not as if Revan curbs each Darth Malak seven times, if that is the truth, the fight wouldn't "have been a brutal, hard fought affair spread over multiple pages." Each defeat of Malak was difficult, and demonstrates that no matter how many attempts, and regardless of how close you are to him, it is extremely difficult to defeat Revan in combat more times then he can defeat you.

Yeah but beating someone 7 times in a row makes you undeniably way better than him. And Malak was amped while Revan had just fought through, according to you, like a hundred freaking Sith and Bastila (multiple times) and a room of infinite droids. It's obvious that Revan is well superior to Malak.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
So you are now ignoring canon? I automatically accept your concession. 👆 I won't even bother replying to anything else, since you just automatically conceded here.
Of course Sidious is greatly more powerful then Darth Malak, but that doesn't stop a canonical source from comparing them, which is a great feat for Darth Malak.

Canon? What are you talking about? Have you even been paying attention to what they're doing with Episode VII?

Canon as we know it is changing. You can't use that as an excuse. Once again, research the characters themselves, not what what people tell you about them. The source you quoted (Behind the Threat: The Sith) is an overview of the Sith. It hardly mentions Malak beyond a few sentences in all of its sections. Think of it as Sith for Dummies.

In terms of "Legends Canon".
It doesn't matter how many mentions, for it mention Malak specifically where it counts: with the best. 😉

Quotes? Also how the hay would they know?

Malak would know by sensing his strength, then Darth Revan's. :/

-Vandar Tokare-
"When Revan fell we had hoped the Sith threat was ended. But Malak quickly assumed Revan's role, and has embraced the dark side power as fully as his old master ever did. Now Malak leads the Sith armada against the Republic. Hate and vengeance for his master's death draw Malak ever further down the path of the dark side, fueling his powers until they supass those of his old master."

Bastila Shan agrees with Vander Tokare that Malak gets more powerful every moment, and on Lehon/Star Forge she speaks of how you are unworthy of the Sith Title, then goes in awe about Malak's power.

The Dark Jedi according to the KotORCG have the belief that the strongest must rule. I will get the quotes if you don't believe me, but the Sith in the Academy including the Wynn and Uthar, as with the ones from Lehon claim Darth Malak>Darth Revan.

Darth Malak says it nearly every conversation you have with him. Go watch a video of his two fights and you will see what I mean. Seemingly, Darth Malak surpasses Darth Revan in some point of KotOR before Leviathan but after Datooine.

That he's not holding his shoulder means nothing. He was electrocuted, not stabbed in the arm. He could still easily be weakened from the damage electricity does to you.

lol umad

Isn't that just whats written on the back of a freaking toy box? Your source is Hasbro, who do not have the authority to make canon judgements (you know, before Malak became noncanon blahblah).

Being mentioned in the same sentence isn't a comparison. Also as I said he can be one of the most powerful Sith and still suck in comparison to Revan, since that's a highly variable phrase.

Noooo shit. What named Sith isn't a master of the Dark Side?

Suspend a featless Revan.

On the Star Forge.

Revan is no more skilled than Obi-Wan or someone.

Although I don't see that actually being said in your respect thread.

Yeah but beating someone 7 times in a row makes you undeniably way better than him.

Malak sucking says what?

I replied ^

Supass again? Really?

*suprass.