Show me where in First Class it was stated that Shaws power allowed him to be resistant to telepaths. Considering he himself was the originator of the Magneto-helmet, and he wore it any time he thought Xavier was around, Proves that statement to be False.
Shaw had No Implied Resistance to Xavier other than strong will and power set, which these Jedi/Sith have as well.
Originally posted by DTM
Show me where in First Class it was stated that Shaws power allowed him to be resistant to telepaths.
Remember that one time that Xavier, the most powerful telepath on Earth, was having trouble containing Shaw?
Yeah. On screen feats, yo. 🙂
Originally posted by DTM
Considering he himself was the originator of the Magneto-helmet, and he wore it any time he thought Xavier was around, Proves that statement to be False.
No it doesn't because we saw that Shaw was difficult to mind-control but he could still be controlled and killed.
You know...what actually happened on screen. Why are you ignoring what actually happened in the film?
Originally posted by DTM
Shaw had No Implied Resistance to Xavier other than strong will and power set, which these Jedi/Sith have as well.
Yes he did. He is the only person, besides powerful teleptahs, to be able to provide resistance Xavier. He was still mind raped. 🙂
There is no such thing as a "strong will to resist" Xavier.
Show me anything that states Xavier's powers can be resisted by non-mutants by sheer will-power, alone.
Originally posted by DTM
Show me where in First Class it was stated that Shaws power allowed him to be resistant to telepaths. Considering he himself was the originator of the Magneto-helmet, and he wore it any time he thought Xavier was around, Proves that statement to be False.Shaw had No Implied Resistance to Xavier other than strong will and power set, which these Jedi/Sith have as well.
While it wasn't explicitly stated, we can apply our minds. Before Shaw was uber amped, he had to wear a mind-control-resistant helmet. Only people to resist Xavier was Dark Phoenix Jean and diamond-skin Emma, both who are very powerful telepaths in return.
Even if we go with your scrapping-the-barrel "anyone with a strong will can resist Xavier" angle, Shaw didn't resist Xavier, he was held all the same despite Xavier's concerns. Jedi still die, just a little later.
Originally posted by Robtard
While it wasn't explicitly stated, we can apply our minds. Before Shaw was uber amped, he had to wear a mind-control-resistant helmet.
Oh.
I wasn't buying your "powered-up" argument until now. That makes sense, in context.
But, as you state, being powered up was still not enough. 🙂
Originally posted by Robtard
While it wasn't explicitly stated, we can apply our minds. Before Shaw was uber amped, he had to wear a mind-control-resistant helmet. Only people to resist Xavier was Dark Phoenix Jean and diamond-skin Emma, both who are very powerful telepaths in return.Even if we go with your scrapping-the-barrel "anyone with a strong will can resist Xavier" angle, Shaw didn't resist Xavier, he was held all the same despite Xavier's concerns. Jedi still die, just a little later.
Yes, thats correct, well to a point. Shaw Did resist Xaiver, quite a bit in fact, just not completely, but to the point that Charles could only hold him for a few minutes, and he was put one character. Now imagine him doing so to many such powerful and strong willed characters, I dont think he would be able to, or at least for more than a minute, tops.
Face it, Shaw showed no mutant ability to resist being mind controlled, he created the helmet because he had no such mutant power, yet he showed the ability to become very different to be mentally controlled, which clearly wasnt due to his mutant power, but due to strong will.
Originally posted by DTM
Right, because he was Strong Willed. Youre literally going around in circles. There is NO PROOF at all that Shaw resisting Xaiver was due to his own mutant power, in fact there is proof Against that, but he did so instead due to his willpower. You cant have it both ways here.
Actually, yeah, there's proof against your argument as Robtard stated.
Additionally, there is other proof: he seemed unconcerned with Emma Frost - another powerful telepath. He mistreated her. Why would he be unafraid?
AHA!
Gotcha!
Then there is another angle you're forgetting...why did Shaw have to have the helmet if he could just resist Xavier with a "strong-will"? AHA! He didn't resist him with just a strong will! He was mind raped! AHA!
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Originally posted by DTM
Yes, thats correct, well to a point. Shaw Did resist Xaiver, quite a bit in fact, to the point that Charles could only hold him for a few minutes, and he was put one character. Now imagine him doing so to many such powerful and strong willed characters, I dont think he would be able to, or at least for more than a minute, tops.Face it, Shaw showed no mutant ability to resist being mind controlled, he created the helmet because he had no such mutant power, yet he showed the ability to become very different to be mentally controlled, which clearly wasnt due to his mutant power, but due to strong will.
Let's take a shit all over you "strong-will" argument.
So a mall full of people and not a single one was "strong-willed"?
AHA!
Gotcha!
But, ohoohohoho! Before you start whining about it being old Xavier...
The CIA building where he froze people! The top minds and spies in the nation (who would have been taught anti-interrogation techniques and other such "strong-will" skill) are not strong-willed? AHA! GOTCHA!
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Edit - Why the **** are we evening entertaining this "strong-will" argument? That's a weakness The Force exploits, not Xavier's telepathic powers. If you're not Jean Gray, you're not resisting Xavier: the end.
Originally posted by DTMNo, Shaw was completely frozen and Xavier had him. Where's your proof/evidence that any of the Jedi are as powerful and strong willed as Shaw, especially after absorbing enough energy to explode himself like an atom bomb (his alternate plan/film plot)?
Yes, thats correct, well to a point. Shaw Did resist Xaiver, quite a bit in fact, just not completely, but to the point that Charles could only hold him for a few minutes, and he was put one character. Now imagine him doing so to many such powerful and strong willed characters, I dont think he would be able to, or at least for more than a minute, tops.Face it, Shaw showed no mutant ability to resist being mind controlled, he created the helmet because he had no such mutant power, yet he showed the ability to become very different to be mentally controlled, which clearly wasnt due to his mutant power, but due to strong will.
You're being obtuse just so SW has a chance. It's obvious his powers and that level they were at are what gave Xavier pause. Though as pointed out, even then that wasn't enough to stop Xavier.
So because he didnt wear his helmet around Emma, someone basically his minion, that also proves Shaw is mutantly resistant to mental control?? Man, you are SO grasping at straws here buddy.
And he need the helmet because that allows him to be completely unaffected by Xaiver, which in a clash or fight would be necessary. Keep in mind I never said Shaws strong will made him immune to MC, just that clearly it made him very difficult to control mentally, and Xaiver could only do it for a very limited time. That scene should extend to the Jedi/Sith as well.
Originally posted by Robtard
Where's your proof/evidence that any of the Jedi are as powerful and strong willed as Shaw, especially after absorbing enough energy to explode himself like an atom bomb (his alternate plan/film plot)?You're being obtuse just so SW has a chance. It's obvious his powers and that level they were at are what gave Xavier pause. Though as pointed out, even then that wasn't enough to stop Xavier.
So now Shaws will is stronger than Sidious or Yoda, eh? Well if you think that, then clearly Nothing I say is going to budge you a single inch, and since Ive said my piece, Ill think Ill leave you and babdoeumon to your whole Xaiver mind-rapes the Jedi scenario.
Originally posted by DTM
So now Shaws will is stronger than Sidious or Yoda, eh? Well if you think that, then clearly Nothing I say is going to budge you a single inch, and since Ive said my piece, Ill think Ill leave you and babdoeumon to your whole Xaiver mind-rapes the Jedi scenario.
That was your claim, I'm asking you to support it.
Originally posted by DTM
So because he didnt wear his helmet around Emma, someone basically his minion, that also proves Shaw is mutantly resistant to mental control?? Man, you are SO grasping at straws here buddy.
That's not grasping at straws, at all. He pissed off Emma a couple of times. Why would he act so boldly around Emma? Don't forget that Emma is one of the most powerful telepathic mutants on the planet.
So where does this boldness come from? Emma could just wipe his mind or make him do her bidding...you know...just like we saw her do on screen as part of the plot of the movie.
So why didn't she? 🙂
Oh, right...probably cause Shaw, due to his mutant power specifically, has some sort of resistance of telepathy.
Xavier, who is much more powerful than Emma, was still able to mind-rape Shaw.
NEEEXT! I keep knocking them down. hehehe
Originally posted by RJ 2.0
Magneto cannot ignite the sabers with his powers, the exterior components of a lightsaber are not all metal. So he would have to turn them on with his hands.In the time it takes to do this, he will be force raped.
Magneto can rewire and control several Sentinels with his powers, so it stands to reason he could figure out a simple on/off switch. But why would he when it would be faster and easier to just use the handle to impale people.
Originally posted by Robtard
Magneto can rewire and control several Sentinels with his powers, so it stands to reason he could figure out a simple on/off switch. But why would he when it would be faster and easier to just use the handle to impale people.
That's a good point. I was agreeing with RJ until you made this point.
Yeah...Magneto has some incredible "device" feats with those dang sentinels. That puts him up their with Doctor Manhattan on the ability to assemble complex machines with his metallokinesis.
Originally posted by DTMGood for being a powerful Force user. Aside from some telekinesis and sensing emotions, nothing any Force user has done in the films has been indicative of a strong will.
You dont think being one of the most powerful users of the Force (a power that is 90% mental in its usage) ever in the universe takes supreme mental fortitude and strength? Willpower has been used to resist mind control in most media, thinking young Xavier has stronger will than all of these Jedi/Sith combined is silly, heck Emma resisted this Xaiver and she wasnt even trying.
"The Force has a strong influence on the weak minded." Ben said in ANH. It sure does. Yoda, Windu, Kenobi, Anakin, all the Jedi have such weak minds and "wills" that one single Sith Lord was able to pull the most obvious wool over their eyes without so much as giving a shit. The Jedi are nearly brain dead in their retardation. Sidious is the only one in the films who is clearly shown to have even a remotely intact "will". Though considering his greatest mental opposition was an order of monks with the collective mental fortitude of a tangerine, it's not saying much for him.
And as Sidious (the only potential asset the Jedi could use) isn't here, and Xavier is. And Magneto is. And Havok is... the Jedi die. Painfully and with great expedience.