Jedi vs X-Men

Originally posted by dadudemon
Ned Stark: The only genuinely righteous character in Westeros. The only mistake he ever made was ****ing around and making Jon Snow. Even then, he tried to do right by collecting the boy and raising him with his own sons.

He was so righteous that he was out of place and it literally cost him his life in the end. If he had pretended to accept Cersei's sex bribe, he could have saved his life and perhaps spared us most of the events that occurred in the entire series.

Right. And borrowing the schema perpetuated by RedLetterMedia and endorsed by our sourpuss Canadian, that makes Ned Stark ten times the fool Yoda was, especially since Ned was warned in advance by his betrayer that the betrayer would betray him. That's like book!Voldemort levels of gullibility and stupidity.

Spoiler:
I will draw the Canadian into single combat and smite him accordingly, once again suppressing the foolhardy Canuck spirit beneath the uncompromising boot of 'Murican will.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Right. And borrowing the schema perpetuated by RedLetterMedia and endorsed by our sourpuss Canadian, that makes Ned Stark ten times the fool Yoda was, especially since Ned was warned in advance by his betrayer that the betrayer would betray him. That's like book!Voldemort levels of gullibility and stupidity.

Spoiler:
I will draw the Canadian into single combat and smite him accordingly, once again suppressing the foolhardy Canuck spirit beneath the uncompromising boot of 'Murican will.

Don't you dare speak about him in that disrespectful manner again.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That the ---- did you just say about Lord Voldemort ?

Don't you dare speak about him in that disrespectful manner again.

Silence, welp. Book!Voldemort suffers from Bond Villain Stupidity in the extreme.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Silence, welp. Book!Voldemort suffers from Bond Villain Stupidity in the extreme.

You also disappointed me firstly by your submission and secondly by that disgrace known as Nai. Star Wars fans need a spine. Maybe after the Abrams movie if I will be that spine your fanbase lacks.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have no idea about book Voldemort since this is the movie forum there is no need to mention him. Movie Voldemort would wipe his ass with movie Palpatine.

You also disappointed me firstly by your submission and secondly by that disgrace known as Nai. Star Wars fans need a spine. Maybe after the Abrams movie if I will be that spine your fanbase lacks.

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Reading comprehension is the only friend you may ever make, quan. Don't be so neglectful of her.

Me
That's like book!Voldemort levels of gullibility and stupidity.

As for the rest, cool story.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Silence, welp. Book!Voldemort suffers from Bond Villain Stupidity in the extreme.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
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Reading comprehension is the only friend you may ever make, quan. Don't be so neglectful of her.

You seem like a Good Guy Greg so I'll go ahead and tell you what's up...

Quan said he didn't know much about the book and his commentary was about Movie Volds. In other words, he acknowledged your statement and made a tangential commentary.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have no idea about book Voldemort since this is the movie forum there is no need to mention him. Movie Voldemort would wipe his ass with movie Palpatine.

I have this feeling that I'm missing something and your argument extends far beyond my seemingly superficial perspicacity.

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Originally posted by The_Tempest
That's like book!Voldemort levels of gullibility and stupidity.

quan
That the ---- did you just say about Lord Voldemort ?

Don't you dare speak about him in that disrespectful manner again.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Silence, welp. Book!Voldemort suffers from Bond Villain Stupidity in the extreme.

quan
I have no idea about book Voldemort since this is the movie forum there is no need to mention him. Movie Voldemort would wipe his ass with movie Palpatine.

Quan initially overlooked my careful qualifier, took offense, and had to be reminded that book!Voldemort (the one whom he doesn't care about) was the one who was mentioned originally by me. Voldemort is much less stupid in the movies than he is in the books.

In other words, I got this bro.

Originally posted by Stigma
* If this is First Class X-men we should use only feats from that movie or DofP feats are also cool?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Quan initially overlooked my careful qualifier, took offense, and had to be reminded that book!Voldemort (the one whom he doesn't care about) was the one who was mentioned originally by me. Voldemort is much less stupid in the movies than he is in the books.

In other words, I got this bro.

True, but movie Moldyshorts is still rather stupid.

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Movieverse X-Men is at least transonic or so, speed might be about even

Not seeing how being an alien makes them resistant to mind****, honestly

Though Xavier and Magneto are kinda glass cannons. Still should be able to beat the Jedi though

For instance, how can Magneto crush the Jedi with tons of steel if he won't be quick enough to defend himself from being force-chocked. Same goes for Xavier.
Also, a simple drop-kick knocked Magneto out, a force-push from a combatant that can apply it quicker than Magenta can react will be at least as effective.

Originally posted by Kotor3
LOL. I see there is going to be no reasoning with you on this one. You’re taking your frustration with Star Wars out on everyone in this thread.

You girly man.

Originally posted by Kotor3
So I just state my points one last time.

Yoda’s standards, bad writing, whatever you want to call it, the point is simple a Jedi must have willpower to:
• Only use the force for defense

-Infiltrated Naboo with the intent of counter-coup.
-Tried to murder-stab-crash Zam Wessel.
-Led an invasion of a sovereign world.
-Directly targeted Dooku for combat.
-Oversaw who knows how many battles of the Clone Wars.
-Spearheaded a duel assassination mission (because the ends always justify the means whenever Yoda says it cool to do so now).

Again, Yoda's warning of the Force being "always for defence, never for attack" seem to be words that came to him only after the gargantuan mess that was his reign as Council Leader. Like he only picked up a few brain cells after he colossally f*cked everything up. This is the strong mind you're going on about? Xavier would literally use him as the puppet he is (in and out of the movies). Double ba-zing.

Originally posted by Kotor3
• To not form attachments

Originally posted by Kotor3
• To not go be seduced to obtain power easier through the darkside

Originally posted by Kotor3
• Etc.

Originally posted by Kotor3
I already gave the definition of willpower and examples to back it up.
As for Anakin his willpower was weaken as he lost faith in the Jedi code. To sum it all up, to use the force does not require willpower however to use it in a certain way (control the way in which you use the force) does.

Originally posted by Kotor3
To control the force takes will power or a strong will. This is implied in Yoda's statements:

And can you clarify what you mean by "the way you use it"? Cuz as far your bullet points above go, there's like nothing to it that requires willpower or a strong mind. Just some midichlorians and a penchant for "stretching out with your feelings" and always remembering to "feel, don't think."

Obi-Wan's feelings aren't going to defend him against Xavier.

Originally posted by Kotor3
My response it in reference to you stating willpower is not required for using the force. Since these are Jedi who use the force in a certain specific way I am stating willpower is required.

Originally posted by Kotor3
As for whether Xavier can control them. I don’t know. This is Xavier from first class. My point was I do not see him doing so easily if at all since he had trouble controlling Shaw. Now you have force users, Jedi, two who are not even human.

The alien point is noteworthy, but it's just a note. Star Wars never focused on the psychology or culture or... like, anything at all when it came to aliens. Other than Wookiee anger and Gungan life debts. That doesn;t tell us much. However I would be hesitant to immunize them just for being aliens. They speak our language, think like us, feel like us, do as we do (except with syntax errors and racism thrown in). Star Wars aliens are incredibly human in every way but appearance. That's is also an undocumented issue within the films doesn't do anything either. It's pretty much a "Who the f*ck knows?"

The Jedi though... aside from everything about the willpower and mind stuff, I repeat (again): no feats. The Force may have a strong influence on the weak minded, but as far as X-men shows, Xavier's powers aren't so limited. The Force does not negate mutant powers. Nor vice versa, to be fair.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm curious as to where along the way you abandoned your penchant for critical thought and devolved into a shameless acolyte of the Red Letter Media heresy.

Don't worry, Canadian. I'll emancipate you from your dark master. Also, since you're a GoT fan, I'll troll you with the fact that Yoda is 10x smarter than Ned Stark:

Lucas > Martin. Yoda > Stark. Palpatine > Heath Ledger's Joker

Originally posted by The_Tempest
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Reading comprehension is the only friend you may ever make, quan. Don't be so neglectful of her.

As for the rest, cool story.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The place I wiped my royal balls all over your chins and you guys just took it.

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crylaugh

Because your balls a very wet, I imagine they looked similar to this when you were done?

Originally posted by dadudemon
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crylaugh

Because your balls a very wet, I imagine they looked similar to this when you were done?

Long live Khan.

X-Men win. Xavier and Magneto are just too damn powerful.

Xavier's telepathy is light years beyond Jedi mind tricks, and Magneto's Tk control over metal makes Jedi TK seem like small beans.

Although I must admit Magneto's lack of versatility in TK doesn't help, in that there's nothing stopping Yoda or Mace Windu just choking him via TK from a distance where Magneto doesn't even know where they are.

Still with both these 2 powerhouses I don't see the Jedi standing a chance.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
X-Men win. Xavier and Magneto are just too damn powerful.

Xavier's telepathy is light years beyond Jedi mind tricks, and Magneto's Tk control over metal makes Jedi TK seem like small beans.

Although I must admit Magneto's lack of versatility in TK doesn't help, in that there's nothing stopping Yoda or Mace Windu just choking him via TK from a distance where Magneto doesn't even know where they are.

Still with both these 2 powerhouses I don't see the Jedi standing a chance.

These are reasonable ideas.

I do take issue with Yoda or Mace use force-choke, though. I really don't think they would use a dark-side power like that. The only "light-side" Jedi to use Force Choke was Luke. But some have said Luke was trained by Yoda to be able to straddle the line and be more like a Gray Jedi.

They point to other examples such as Luke pretty much planning on executing Jabba The Hutt if Jabba didn't turn over Han Solo. I don't remember execution being part of the Jedi Code.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There is no need to mention book Voldemort in the movie forum. It is against the rules. If you cannot stop breaking the rules about a forum designed to discuss movie characters only stay in the cowardly den of the Star Wars fans. The place I wiped my royal balls all over your chins and you guys just took it.

My son, it was an offhand reference to an exceptionally incompetent villain. The only thing infringed here was your hypersensitivity to all things Voldemort. But there is no pain where strength lies and I will break your weakness upon the knee of my divine will.

Originally posted by The_Tempest

My son, it was an offhand reference to an exceptionally incompetent villain. The only thing infringed here was your hypersensitivity to all things Voldemort. But there is no pain where strength lies and I will break your weakness upon the knee of my divine will.

Ironically, Bruce Wayne comes back to beat Bane. You would only take me on when my body was well past its prime to only lose in the end.

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Run back to your den of cowards. Star Wars wimps have no place here.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Everyone... you mean the characters being used, or the people posting? Cuz so far, not the latter. I could if you want me to, for some reason...

You girly man.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Until they go on the attack like when they:

-Infiltrated Naboo with the intent of counter-coup.
-Tried to murder-stab-crash Zam Wessel.
-Led an invasion of a sovereign world.
-Directly targeted Dooku for combat.
-Oversaw who knows how many battles of the Clone Wars.
-Spearheaded a duel assassination mission (because the ends always justify the means whenever Yoda says it cool to do so now).

Let me help you. They weren’t following the Jedi code something Anakin stated like a hundred times.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Again, Yoda's warning of the Force being "always for defence, never for attack" seem to be words that came to him only after the gargantuan mess that was his reign as Council Leader. Like he only picked up a few brain cells after he colossally f*cked everything up. This is the strong mind you're going on about? Xavier would literally use him as the puppet he is (in and out of the movies). Double ba-zing.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
... for fear of the consequences of loss. That fear is not a strength in any regard. One of GL's more (maybe) subtle insertions is that fear of loss leads to loss and pain. Yoda's "no attachment" snafu directly led to his people's demise. When the recipient of loss was staring him in the face and professing his fear, Yoda's only counsel was advice best applied retroactively. What. A. Twit.

If you can’t understand that then stop replying.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
True. But to even the OT's detriment, we never really get to learn how or what that power is or contains. As far as we're shown or told, it's... more powerful? Somehow? You get Lightning hands. Honestly I could not even bullshit to you what the Dark Side offers that the Light Side doesn't. Not without evoking some EU. I don't know how it's a strength to resist not gaining anything other than a new sobriquet and a reputation for being a bad guy.

As you stated before emotions come into play. The dark-side uses negative emotions to fuel strength in the force where the light side does not. Hopes that helps answer your question about the difference between the two.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
So have you reneged on that one?

And can you clarify what you mean by "the way you use it"? Cuz as far your bullet points above go, there's like nothing to it that requires willpower or a strong mind. Just some midichlorians and a penchant for "stretching out with your feelings" and always remembering to "feel, don't think."

Obi-Wan's feelings aren't going to defend him against Xavier.

Here are some definitions for you since you won’t look them up yourself: (Please tell me how emotions are not involved)
Will:
• The power of control over one's own actions or emotions
• A strong desire or determination to do something
• A person's choice or desire in a particular situation
• Mental powers manifested as wishing, choosing, desiring, or intending
o a disposition to act according to principles or ends

Willpower: The ability to control yourself : strong determination that allows you to do something difficult.

Faith:
• Confidence or trust in a person or thing.
• Belief that is not based on proof.

To use the force involves a person emotions. Willpower comes in the way they decide they will use the force. If to attack then you have the Desire or Will to cause harm. If to protect then you have the Desire or Will to protect or save life.

Willpower and emotions are not separate.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
And you're statement wasn't convincing, but I'm tautology-ing it up now.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I grant that the Shaw thing is... odd. Aside from tension, I don't even know what the point of adding that part in the scene was for. Whether it was because of Shaw's mutation, or his metal fortitude, I can't say without reading a copy of the screenplay or something (which I don't think should ever count as far the actual movie is concerned).

The alien point is noteworthy, but it's just a note. Star Wars never focused on the psychology or culture or... like, anything at all when it came to aliens. Other than Wookiee anger and Gungan life debts. That doesn;t tell us much. However I would be hesitant to immunize them just for being aliens. They speak our language, think like us, feel like us, do as we do (except with syntax errors and racism thrown in). Star Wars aliens are incredibly human in every way but appearance. That's is also an undocumented issue within the films doesn't do anything either. It's pretty much a "Who the f*ck knows?"

The Jedi though... aside from everything about the willpower and mind stuff, I repeat (again): no feats. The Force may have a strong influence on the weak minded, but as far as X-men shows, Xavier's powers aren't so limited. The Force does not negate mutant powers. Nor vice versa, to be fair.