Jedi vs X-Men

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was against the rules to make a stab at a movie character who would make Palpatine shit his pants.

My quan!logic is rusty, so just to recap: by making an offhand reference to book!Voldemort, I am "making a stab" at movie!Voldemort?

While you honestly don't strike me as a reader, you do know the difference between a book and a movie, yes?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ironically, Bruce Wayne comes back to beat Bane. You would only take me on when my body was well past its prime to only lose in the end.

😂

Run back to your den of cowards. Star Wars wimps have no place here.

I interpret this as a tacit confession on your part that I will break your weakness upon the knee of my divine will.

I am pleased.

Originally posted by dadudemon
These are reasonable ideas.

I do take issue with Yoda or Mace use force-choke, though. I really don't think they would use a dark-side power like that. The only "light-side" Jedi to use Force Choke was Luke. But some have said Luke was trained by Yoda to be able to straddle the line and be more like a Gray Jedi.

They point to other examples such as Luke pretty much planning on executing Jabba The Hutt if Jabba didn't turn over Han Solo. I don't remember execution being part of the Jedi Code.

I've never really bought that Choke is specifically a "Dark Side" Power. Since as you pointed out, Luke did use it and he was taught by Yoda. Plus no such reference is made to it being a Dark Side thing in movie canon at least. Anyway any similar direct TK attack should do the trick. Doesn't have to be a slow torture type attack (which is what choke is really) could just be an instant KO or even Kill through Force TK.

Originally posted by The_Tempest

My quan!logic is rusty, so just to recap: by making an offhand reference to book!Voldemort, I am "making a stab" at movie!Voldemort?

While you honestly don't strike me as a reader, you do know the difference between a book and a movie, yes?

I interpret this as a tacit confession on your part that I will break your weakness upon the knee of my divine will.

I am pleased.

I do read occasionally but its kind of obvious this is the movie versus board so books have no relevance here.

False. In your own example you die while I live. I get the girl and you're still dead while being a manservant to your woman.

Your a servant whereas I'm a conqueror.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You broke the rules because you're upset at still backing down to the Voldemort vs Palpatine movie challenge.

So, to recap, an offhand reference to a book character in a conversation with another poster constitutes an obvious telegraphed insult against a movie character and, by extension, you, and it all stems from an epic personal grudge against you?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I do read occasionally but its kind of obvious this is the movie versus board so books have no relevance here.

So, to recap, offhanded references to books and book characters are against the rules... wouldn't that mean you're a rule breaker as well?

Originally posted by quanchi112
False. In your own example you die while I live. I get the girl and you're still dead while being a manservant to your woman.

Your a servant whereas I'm a conqueror.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
So, to recap, an offhand reference to a book character in a conversation with another poster constitutes an obvious telegraphed insult against a movie character and, by extension, you, and it all stems from an epic personal grudge against you?

So, to recap, offhanded references to books and book characters are against the rules... wouldn't that mean you're a rule breaker as well?

I cited the movie character you want to talk about the book version.

Your gifs are silly. Just run back to Star Wars section where cowards go. Speaking of which why doesn't Robbie hang out there ?

Something I just remember concerning movies feats for Jedi telepathy. Untrained Luke was able to use his telepathic powers to contact Leia across space. She was not even on the same planet.

Xavier needs a device in order to find people when he is not near them. I find Luke's feat more impressive than anything Xavier has done in First Class and matches if not more impressive then anything Xavier has done in the movies.

This was an untrained Jedi.

Obi wan as a force ghost was able to contact Luke while he was on a ship out in space attacking the Death Star. In ESB he contacts Luke while his is on a planet.

Vader contacts Luke in ESB across space and again in ROTJ.

No I don't think Xavier mind rapes them at all.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Something I just remember concerning movies feats for Jedi telepathy. Untrained Luke was able to use his telepathic powers to contact Leia across space. She was not even on the same planet.

Xavier needs a device in order to find people when he is not near them. I find Luke's feat more impressive than anything Xavier has done in First Class and matches if not more impressive then anything Xavier has done in the movies.

This was an untrained Jedi.

Obi wan as a force ghost was able to contact Luke while he was on a ship out in space attacking the Death Star. In ESB he contacts Luke while his is on a planet.

Vader contacts Luke in ESB across space and again in ROTJ.

No I don't think Xavier mind rapes them at all.

Faulty logic. Making telepathetic phone calls isn't more impressive than completely dominating someone's mind.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Something I just remember concerning movies feats for Jedi telepathy. Untrained Luke was able to use his telepathic powers to contact Leia across space. She was not even on the same planet.

Xavier needs a device in order to find people when he is not near them. I find Luke's feat more impressive than anything Xavier has done in First Class and matches if not more impressive then anything Xavier has done in the movies.

This was an untrained Jedi.

Obi wan as a force ghost was able to contact Luke while he was on a ship out in space attacking the Death Star. In ESB he contacts Luke while his is on a planet.

Vader contacts Luke in ESB across space and again in ROTJ.

No I don't think Xavier mind rapes them at all.

Luke contacted her because she was his twin and they had a connection boosted by the Force. Plus he is the son of the Chosen One and has a huuuuge midichlorian count. Vader sensed and contacted Luke because Luke is his son and the force boosted that connection.

Obi-Wan is a Force Ghost, he could contact Luke anywhere because the Force is everywhere. Speaking to someone is not the same as controlling their mind. So aside from the Jedi Mind Trick, what Force User have you seen actually manipulate and control minds? Or even resist mind control?

Originally posted by Robtard
Faulty logic. Making telepathetic phone calls isn't more impressive than completely dominating someone's mind.

Originally posted by KingD19
Luke contacted her because she was his twin and they had a connection boosted by the Force. Plus he is the son of the Chosen One and has a huuuuge midichlorian count. Vader sensed and contacted Luke because Luke is his son and the force boosted that connection.

Emotions come in to play when you talk about the force. Being brother and sister does not make a force bond without the emotions to form one.

Vader and Luke did not form a force bond until the ending of ESB where Luke found out Vader was his father and had to accept the truth. Vader: “Search your feelings you know this to be true”. Luke accepting the truth in ROTJ we then see the bond when they could sense each other across space.

No bond was form with Leia until close to the end of ROTJ when Luke inform her that she is his twin sister and she accepts. Then we see her be able to sense that Luke escape the Death Star alive.

As for Luke being strong in the force, yes that could be the reason why he was able to reach her even though he was untrained. Still extremely impressive. How many miles would that be? When has Xavier contacted someone who was not a few feet away from him or dominated their minds without using a device?

Originally posted by KingD19
Obi-Wan is a Force Ghost, he could contact Luke anywhere because the Force is everywhere.

Originally posted by KingD19
Speaking to someone is not the same as controlling their mind.

So Jedi can control minds.

Originally posted by KingD19
So aside from the Jedi Mind Trick, what Force User have you seen actually manipulate and control minds?

Originally posted by KingD19
Or even resist mind control?

Xavier is powerful don’t get me wrong. But I find it hard to believe and Xavier as of First Class is going to mind rape all of the Jedi let alone one.

When the missiles were going to be fired, Xavier could not mind control the army from that distance to stop the attack. If it weren’t for Magneto they would have all die.

In case anyone's interested The Clone Wars(canon to the movies) showed that 3 Jedi could combine heir powers to control even a strong minded person. If the strong willed person still resisted it would break his mind apart.

We also have Luke in ROTJ mind control a person into letting him see Jabba the Hutt.

Originally posted by Kotor3
We also have Luke in ROTJ mind control a person into letting him see Jabba the Hutt.

Yeah but I think the assumption was that was a weak minded person, which is why Luke could do it. But what I've pointed out is that Windu, Skywalker and Kenobi could combine their powers to control a very strong minded person, and if the person was still able to resit it was at the expense of tearing his mind apart.

Someone like Yoda might only need aid from 1 other Jedi. I'm sure Yoda and Windu together could mind control anyone.

Originally posted by Robtard
Faulty logic. Making telepathetic phone calls isn't more impressive than completely dominating someone's mind.

I don't think anyone is contending that the Jedi are more impressive or powerful telepaths than Xavier. But I also think the notion that Xavier is going to effortlessly conquer these guys psychically is similarly misplaced.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah but I think the assumption was that was a weak minded person, which is why Luke could do it. But what I've pointed out is that Windu, Skywalker and Kenobi could combine their powers to control a very strong minded person, and if the person was still able to resit it was at the expense of tearing his mind apart.

Someone like Yoda might only need aid from 1 other Jedi. I'm sure Yoda and Windu together could mind control anyone.

With Xavier or Emma, there's literally nothing in the way from them controlling a person's mind. Their powers clearly work on a different mechanism. If I were to compare the two powers, I'd say that Jedi's mind-control powers are similar to toddler making a mess in a house when trying to build a lego tower. Xavier and Emma would be more like Dr. Manhattan creating that giant glass construct on Mars. Xavier doesn't need another person to re-write an entire mind, completely. There is no damage. In fact, when he tries to control a person, they are beholden to him, entirely.

Again, I do not have anyone arguing against one of my points: Xavier can target all of their minds and kill all of them.

The only argument I've seen against that is the "Alien Brain" argument. That was made by Robtard who supports a Marvel victory, here.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah but I think the assumption was that was a weak minded person, which is why Luke could do it. But what I've pointed out is that Windu, Skywalker and Kenobi could combine their powers to control a very strong minded person, and if the person was still able to resit it was at the expense of tearing his mind apart.

Someone like Yoda might only need aid from 1 other Jedi. I'm sure Yoda and Windu together could mind control anyone.

Jabba referred to him as weak minded because Luke was able to control him. That doesn't mean though that he was. Jabba was just upset.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Again, I do not have anyone arguing against one of my points: Xavier can target all of their minds and kill all of them.

Your argument assumes it's axiomatic when it isn't. Where is the evidence of prequel!Xavier mindhaxxing other psychics/telepaths in such a way as is relevant here?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Your argument assumes it's axiomatic when it isn't. Where is the evidence of prequel!Xavier mindhaxxing other psychics/telepaths in such a way as is relevant here?

There is no evidence.

I'm tired of reading this argument. It hides behind the idea that Xavier magically changes in just a few short years.

He doesn't. An argument may be made that his powers increased but there is no evidence for that. In fact, there is evidence that their powers are waning in the original X-men movies. Magneto, generally, has greater and more precise feats in the prequels than the originals.

So I reject your position and accept my own as a more correct interpretation.

If this is not acceptable or you wish to argue further, I'll just create another thread where you cannot hide behind unknowns.

Edit - Made the thread. Enjoy.

Originally posted by dadudemon
There is no evidence.

Yes, that's what I thought.

You're free to speculate (as I have in this very thread). The difference is that I openly admit that I'm speculating whereas you seem to labor under the delusion that you're dealing in hard facts and axioms.

That's textbook quan and I'm not interested.