Originally posted by Selenial
Ant, the Asteroids were falling already. And accelerating a descent is completely different to lifting them.Jesus, do your school teach you nothing?
Its like kinetic energy is a foreign concept to most of you ****ers :hmm
You don't need to pick apart shit like the OBD does to determine the speed Revan sent those rocks flying was magnitudes faster than they were moving in the Foundry naturally.
The visual is pretty ****ing easy to determine that with :lmao
Him sending them down on the Strike Team's head was laughably superior in raw energy from the fact he reduced them to dust on impact, let alone the speed they were moving as he tossed them.
Like, I don't pretend to be an expert on Physics. I'm self taught. I largely know only up to Freshman year of college level shit.
Makes it all the more baffling I'm the one that ends up noting and explaining shit
Originally posted by ares834
Not necessarily. Dooku lifted the obelisks against gravity. By contrast, the asteroids were floating in what appeared to be some massless field.
...
So
Kinetic Energy
No one, really?
Originally posted by Selenial
Plus there's the whole army of droidekas thing. I guess the stones have just been retconned.
Yeah, there's that. Not sure how heavy droidekas are though, but Yoda has feats and statements that contradict his inability to lift all those stones. If that is the basic way to measure a jedis' potency and mastery of the force, Yoda being unable to lift them while some other jedi managed to would contradict sources which say Yoda is the most masterful and powerful jedi of his era. Then again, mastery could refer to number of force techniques and such.
Also, I got the DR feat wrong. Yoda only held himself stationery while the vacuum of space was pulling out small crafts and droids. But TCW feat is a good indication of Yoda being able to grip many heavy objects at once.
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
...So
Kinetic Energy
No one, really?
So
Force of Gravity
Once Revan rips the asteroids out of whatever fields they were in gravity takes effect. Now I'm not going to bother with pixel scaling or any of that shit to see if Revan was accelerating the asteroids or not for a variety of reasons. Suffice to say, I never claimed that Dooku's feat was superior.
Originally posted by ares834
SoForce of Gravity
Is a weak force :maybe
Lifting something as slow as Dooku was, with that small of a mass?
Not as impressive as increasing the speed of those asteroids 10-20 times what they were originally moving nigh instantly on top of nigh pulzerizing their mass on impact.
The difference would be a hand grenade compared to an FOAB.
Once Revan rips the asteroids out of whatever fields they were in gravity takes effect.
Let me help you out by saying... gravity as a helper is negligible.
At the speed they ended up moving, the kind of energy Revan was contributing to the feat was well over 99% compared to the Foundry's artificial gravity.
Now I'm not going to bother with pixel scaling or any of that shit to see if Revan was accelerating the asteroids or not for a variety of reasons.
Doesn't take pixel scaling to **** around with KE = 0.5mv^2 and equations of a falling body with some rough estimates a la eye ball to tell you I'm right :maybe
Suffice to say, I never claimed that Dooku's feat was superior.
Weren't you responding to Ant's line of?
So, Revan pulling down one of the 30 he pulled down is already better than Dooku.
If not, fair enough :maybe
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Can someone remind me what Revan has to do with the topic?
Nothing
I just like semantically helping people out understanding feats because I'm bored
You know, like I did talking through Selenial/Fangyman on TOR :maybe
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Doesn't take pixel scaling to **** around with KE = 0.5mv^2 and equations of a falling body with some rough estimates a la eye ball to tell you I'm right :maybe
I've go no clue how fast they are moving. Nor how long they accelerated.
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Weren't you responding to Ant's line of?If not, fair enough :maybe
Sure I was. And I never said it was worse feat did I. 👆
Originally posted by ares834
I've go no clue how fast they are moving. Nor how long they accelerated.
You don't strike me as stupid, so I'm not sure why you're playing ignorant as to just being able to eye ball the feat if you're so against the meticulous measurements I'm more accustomed to :hmm
Asteroids around you are moving about as fast as your characters are walking
Revan punches them to a speed where they cover their length in about 0.1-0.2 seconds
Unless you've never bothered to watch the feat, in which case this is perfectly fair
The point is though? Gravity plays no large part in the feat. Even having them move 2 times as fast as they were previously means Revan's contributing 3/4ths the KE anyway.
Sure I was. And I never said it was worse feat did I. 👆
Suppose this is fair :maybe
Originally posted by ares834
🙄Of course Legends math was wrong. 2 tons is probably the minimum not maximum weight of the large pillars, but my point remains.
Even at same sizes, obelisks can significantly vary in weight on the basis of their composition.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
The guy had no lightsabers, and was outnumbered 20 to 1. Prove the Wrath could beat those odds.
My point is that Dooku cannot handle an army on his own as OP intended to assert.
As for Emperor's Wrath; he cut a swath through large number of opponents several times, though he was armed in these confrontations.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Darth Vowrawn, self professed to be weak in the Force, and backed up by the fact that Baras sent a bounty hunter to kill him. Ventress/Savage > Vowrawn.
From SWTOR:
Darth Vowrawn is a charming and sophisticated elder statesman who has served on the Dark Council for decades–no small feat in the Empire, where the tenure of new council members is often measured in weeks. His passionate, almost hedonistic pursuit of challenge is well known among his peers, who have learned never to underestimate his cutthroat enthusiasm. Vowrawn revels in the game of conquest and Sith power plays, driven to euphoria by all the rich details of his favorite sport. Many upstart Sith have attempted to best Vowrawn over the years through a variety of strategies, from complex schemes to bluntly direct surprise attacks. Although some scored temporary victories, Vowrawn’s talent for adjusting his strategy on the fly has left him the final victor in all these confrontations.
Vowrawn may not have flawless combat record but he have held his own in all of his confrontations including ambush attempts and survived. He shouldn't be underestimated.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Draahg has nothing on Dooku.
But Draahg is not to be underestimated. As the chosen apprentice of both Baras and Vengean, he possesses a breadth of knowledge and a depth of power few others can claim.
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"Baras held back when training you, but he taught me everything. And Darth Vengean showed me dark side secrets even Baras doesn't know." (Lord Draahg to Emperor's Wrath)
The aforementioned revelations make it obvious that Lord Draahg likely acquired command of the dark side and possessed raw power that few matched and/or exceeded throughout galactic history. More importantly, Draahg had impressive command of Force Drain powers as apparent from his showing against Dark Council member Vowrawn; Draahg trapped Vowrawn in a deadly field with sheer force of will, a power which is extremely difficult to perform in combat situations and significantly accelerates aging process of the target and eventually disintegrates it.
"In minutes, the great Darth Vowrawn will disintegrate." (Lord Draahg)
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Darth Bane, who had superior command of the dark side then Count Dooku, was able to conjure a power of similar nature by drawing on the power of a nexus of dark side energy and still found it to be an extremely challenging application to utilize for long-term use.
From Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil
Bane extinguished his weapon and stood perfectly still, allowing the
swarming horde to close in on him as he gathered his strength. He called upon the power of the temple itself, feeding on it to bolster his own abilities as he created a deadly field around his body. It began as a tight circle, but quickly spread outward until it extended to a radius of ten meters, with the Sith Lord at the center. The air within the circumference of the field suddenly became darker, as if the light from the red sun above had been
suddenly dimmed.
Cloaked in the shadowy gloom, Bane simply held his ground against the enemy assault. The front ranks of onrushing cultists shrieked in agony as they entered the field, their life essence violently sucked out of their bodies, aging them a thousand years in only a few seconds. Muscles and tendons atrophied instantaneously; their skin withered and shrank, pulling tight across their bones. Eyes and tongues shriveled, turning them into mummified husks before their desiccated flesh crumbled away, leaving only skeletal remains and a few strands of hair.
The effort of creating an aura of pure dark side energy would have quickly exhausted even Bane.
However, as his enemies fell he was able to draw their essence into himself, feeding on their energies to revitalize his fading strength and reinforcing the field in preparation for the next wave of victims.
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Have a good look at Draahg's performance in combat situation:
Draahg put Vowrawn in a deadly field and still had energy to proceed to confront Emperor's Wrath simultaneously. Do you even realize the raw power and command of the dark side needed to perform these actions simultaneously?
Apart from 'command of the dark side' aspect, let us focus on the raw power and endurance aspects of Draahg.
From Draahg himself:
"I've been gutted, bled dry, jettisoned into space. I survived and grew stronger."
Draahg have survived in situations that few can hope to cope with, throughout galactic history.
Emperor's Wrath literally had to slice off Draahg's head to kill him, nothing else was sufficient.
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Dooku neither have raw power on par with that of Draahg and nor have the ability to resist Force Drain powers.
You need to admit the realistic possibility that there were other Sith Lords, in the Empire, besides Emperor Vitiate who surpassed Count Dooku in raw power and command of the dark side. Draahg seems to be one such, and so is Emperor's Wrath.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
LOL, and it isn't Dooku's also? Dooku's skill in lightsaber combat was legendary, and he has contended with legendary duelists, the Wrath has no such accolades.
A Sith Warrior’s skills with a lightsaber are unrivaled.
Legend is correct that "a Darth is an embodiment of death." I'm unsure how that applies to Vowrawn though, I have to assume he was at least somewhat potent to get to his position and survive for as long as he has.
Legend is also correct that Draagh's technique is undoubtably very advanced and powerful and speaks highly of his abilities. As does his endurance.
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Its like kinetic energy is a foreign concept to most of you ****ers :hmmYou don't need to pick apart shit like the OBD does to determine the speed Revan sent those rocks flying was magnitudes faster than they were moving in the Foundry naturally.
The visual is pretty ****ing easy to determine that with :lmao
Him sending them down on the Strike Team's head was laughably superior in raw energy from the fact he reduced them to dust on impact, let alone the speed they were moving as he tossed them.
Like, I don't pretend to be an expert on Physics. I'm self taught. I largely know only up to Freshman year of college level shit.
Makes it all the more baffling I'm the one that ends up noting and explaining shit
No one, really?
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Is a weak force :maybeLifting something as slow as Dooku was, with that small of a mass?
Not as impressive as increasing the speed of those asteroids 10-20 times what they were originally moving nigh instantly on top of nigh pulzerizing their mass on impact.
The difference would be a hand grenade compared to an FOAB.
Let me help you out by saying... gravity as a helper is negligible.
At the speed they ended up moving, the kind of energy Revan was contributing to the feat was well over 99% compared to the Foundry's artificial gravity.
Doesn't take pixel scaling to **** around with KE = 0.5mv^2 and equations of a falling body with some rough estimates a la eye ball to tell you I'm right :maybe
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