Originally posted by Newjak
TK is a force that is exerted. He very well could put Loki in the air but that doesn't stop Loki from shooting Sauron with the scepter now does it.
Oh yes cause he can't pull is staff away when he had enough raw power to destroy a stone bridge, treat Gandalf who is extremely strong like a rag doll.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wait WUT? When in the movie did it even mention his mace was magical or could do anything magical ? Both you and relentless keep saying this and where is that part in the movies. Shoot I'd like to see you post the narration in the The HObbit saying that or LOTR
Are you dumb, cause I didn't say that..
Read what you quoted before you type.
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialGandalf is not extremely Strong. In the same video you posted a relatively strong Orc knocks him down.
Oh yes cause he can't pull is staff away when he had enough raw power to destroy a stone bridge, treat Gandalf who is extremely strong like a rag doll.
Gandalf's own TK was barely keeping the Orc back. Loki based on feats would have manhandled that Orc like a baby.
And Loki is once again strong to toy with Captain America.
Originally posted by Newjak
The mind gem can effect people without touching them, like it did to the Avengers when they argued.
So it can make Sauron pissed? Yeah. Sure, it can influence Sauron a bit. Not really seeing how this helps Loki.
Originally posted by Newjak
Next you say the Mind Gem can not provide Loki with TP protection because it hasn't shown but now Sauron has TP protection because he has never shown it?
The hell? The two aren't comparable at all. Sauron's power is based on his immense will whereas Lokis is based on a magic stone.
Originally posted by Newjak
Gandalf is not extremely Strong. In the same video you posted a relatively strong Orc knocks him down.Gandalf's own TK was barely keeping the Orc back. Loki based on feats would have manhandled that Orc like a baby.
And Loki is once again strong to toy with Captain America.
Are you serious suggesting that because he tooled Captain America he can now resist TK. 😆
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialHow?
Flip flop 😆
Originally posted by ares834Or make him afraid.
So it can make Sauron pissed? Yeah. Sure, it can influence Sauron a bit. Not really seeing how this helps Loki.The hell? The two aren't comparable at all. Sauron power is based on his immense will whereas Lokis is based on a magic stone.
So because of the source you are willing to give Sauron the benefit of a doubt how sweet of you.
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialYou are in love with this word TK. It is not some magic plot device that magically makes anything it acts against helpless.
Are you serious suggesting that because he tooled Captain America he can now resist TK. 😆
If something can exert an equal or greater force against it the TK won't work.
So in order for him to take the staff away he has to be able to exert greater force than Loki can. Me showing that he can tool Captain America shows how strong Loki is the best you have holding Gandalf down. That is not that great. comparatively
Originally posted by Newjak
You are in love with this word TK. It is not some magic plot device that magically makes anything it acts against helpless.If something can exert an equal or greater force against it the TK won't work.
So in order for him to take the staff away he has to be able to exert greater force than Loki can. Me showing that he can tool Captain America shows how strong Loki is the best you have holding Gandalf down. That is not that great. comparatively
Its an invisible force that unless you have a the opposite of the invisible force such as shown in movies like LOTR and Star Wars, Push, Chronicles and other movies, you cant defend against it.
Him tooling Cap with physical force means nothing if he getting TK'd.
How about this, he TK's him in the air, turns him around and shoves his mace up his ass.
Gandalf was trading blows with Balrog, so yea he does have some uber strength feats.
Originally posted by Newjak
And items that grant mental control have traditionally as well. I don't see you using that as an argument.
Where? The only one I can think of is the stone from the comics itself.
Edit: Hell, the rings of power all pretty much grant some capacity of telepathic power in LotR yet none of them give the bearers mental defense. Rather the opposite in most cases.
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialThat's your counter it is invisible therefore everyone is defenseless against it? That's not how it works. That is a poor argument.
Its an invisible force that unless you have a the opposite of the invisible force such as shown in movies like LOTR and Star Wars, Push, Chronicles and other movies, you cant defend against it.Him tooling Cap with physical force means nothing if he getting TK'd.
How about this, he TK's him in the air, turns him around and shoves his mace up his ass.
Gandalf was trading blows with Balrog, so yea he does have some uber strength feats.
I don't think Sauron hitting Loki with his mace is going to hurt Loki really so he could do that. I don't think it will help.
Originally posted by ares834
Where? The only one I can think of is the stone from the comics itself.Edit: Hell, the rings of power all pretty much grant some capacity of telepathic power in LotR yet none of them give the bearers mental defense. Rather the opposite in most cases.
Exactly they all fed Sauron.
One ring to rule them all.
Originally posted by Newjak
That's your counter it is invisible therefore everyone is defenseless against it? That's not how it works. That is a poor argument.I don't think Sauron hitting Loki with his mace is going to hurt Loki really so he could do that. I don't think it will help.
Your argument that because he tooled Cap now makes him strong enough to resist is laughable.
Thats not how it works and is a poor argument.
Again applying no limits fallacy to loki.. 😆
Originally posted by ares834That's because Sauron specifically made the ring to rule them. As the story says they were deceived.
Where? The only one I can think of is the stone from the comics itself.Edit: Hell, the rings of power all pretty much grant some capacity of telepathic power in LotR yet none of them give the bearers mental defense. Rather the opposite in most cases.
That actually hurts your case cause now it seems like Sauron does need something to link him to his victim's minds. Psi helmets often give people TP and TP protection. Magical artifacts like amulets in TV shows. It is not that knew.
Originally posted by Time ImmemorialNo it's showing how strong Loki is now you have to prove Sauron's TK is enough to match that. Holding down Gandalf does not prove that.
Your argument that because he tooled Cap now makes him strong enough to resist is laughable.Thats not how it works and is a poor argument.
Again applying no limits fallacy to loki.. 😆
Originally posted by Newjak
That's because Sauron specifically made the ring to rule them. As the story says they were deceived.That actually hurts your case cause now it seems like Sauron does need something to link him to his victim's minds. Psi helmets often give people TP and TP protection. Magical artifacts like amulets in TV shows. It is not that knew.
So because Loki tricked some weak feeb minds with the gem, he can now TP Sauron..lol! Another great one from you.
Show the mind rape working on anyone with powers such as Sauron.
If not just concede to the whole argument.