Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Clearly Lucifer and Michael are multiversal. Michael has one shotted A multiversal being.Why is this even a question now?
Your statement is not logical.
Your letting the swords and shield type combat limit your understanding.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
Lucifer literally built a multiverse.
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When Yahweh threatened to destroy "all creation", Elaine knew what it was :
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"A Universe". The merged creation was A UNIVERSE.
And in the next to final issue in the series, Elaine takes over and becomes one with creation and guess what it is :
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"My mind runs across the universe". "
And Lucifer built a universe with Demiurgic power,which is Michael's power.
It means he cannot create Universe on his own,and his other feats are only universal.SO no they are not Multiversal.
Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
Neither are multiversal,no feat indicates that
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/smiley.jpg.html
in that scan morpheus crossed over into another universe and pulled prez away from the 'supreme being' of that alternate earth, boss smilie. the next scan shows that there are indeed MANY different 'americas'. that entire arc (6-7 issues or something) was a jaunt through alternate universes.
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/otheramericas.jpg.html
it's obvious to anyone who has read the series' that vertigo IS a multiverse, and dream has purview over his element in EVERY VERSION of every universe in the multiverse. through the series he travels outside the universe several times. but to know any of this, you'd need to read the material. given that you haven't at least have the decency to quote someone who HAS read the books. or don't. but drawing faulty conclusions based on the reasoning of someone who's never read them is just....flat out dumb. in most threads that don't involve vertigo or hercules, lol i like zop and he's pretty cool. he lacks perspective to comment on this material accurately however. don't be a follower. and don't do drugs. 🙂
Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
Neither are multiversal,no feat indicates that.
One - shotting SPectre is not a good feat,Nekron defeated Spectre.
Captain Marvel while empowered by Earth's magic(i highly doubt that Earth's magic can make someone universal) was giving a Spectre a run for his own money.And SPectre is not multiversal,no feat indicates that,and he is a jobber.
They are universal.
It is logical.
Elder Gods are universal,and so are Michael and Lucifer,so they are Elder Gods -tier.
Michael has defeated Spectre 3 times, and has one-shotted him twice in these 3 encounters. No mere "elder god tiers" can do that and you know it.
Nekron defeated the weakass Crispus Spectre, not the same ones which Michael defeated (Cancara, hostless, and Corrigan Spectre). And that was only because he has no soul. Not to mention that Nekron was defeating the white light entity (a universal power) and easily handled the Anti-Monitor (another universal power - SCW version).
Yes, while empowered by all Earth's magic; that's not exactly what id call a small amp; and they battled for like 3 issues. While Michael outright one-shotted him.
Well actually Spectre does have feats which are trans-universal. And at one point he was creating universes casually without even knowing it.
Originally posted by MaZeRaIII
Quoting ZopZop:And Lucifer built a universe with Demiurgic power,which is Michael's power.
It means he cannot create Universe on his own,and his other feats are only universal.SO no they are not Multiversal.
You seem to think that Zop has it all figured out.
You do realize that Zopzop is still acting like that feat is everything there is to proving that Lucifer's power is multiversal simply because Zop doesn't know any better.
Anyone who has read the series would tell you that the fact that Lucifer was responsible for the original creation (a confirmed multiverse) and his clear superiority to the Endless, established his multliversal power. We also know that he's Michael's equal if not superior; same Michael who has actually one-shotted the Spectre-force and beat the hell out of Corrigan-Spectre. So even if you choose to believe that what Lucifer created in #13 is a mere universe, some facts, like the above i mentioned, are irrefutable.
Love the elder God tier part though. You clearly know your shit.
