Assessing Soa

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
A statue may vary in weight in accordance with the materials used to create it.

We don't know the material of the statues that Soa lifted and tossed around but they were really large and must have weighed lot more then 5 - 7 tonnes each.

Have a look at the statues in the chamber of The Infernal One:

They are like 30 feet tall each. And made of some kind of stone. I expect them to be around 50 tons in weight each.

For reference, 10 m tall Moai statue named Paro weighs 82 tons.

So we're dealing with what, 20 tonnes each? That's 80 tonnes altogether. Heavier than the Muntuur stones? Sure. Heavier than an AT-AT? Don't be absurd. Even if we assumed that AT-AT was dwarfed by the 1000 tonne tank you provided, said tank would have to be over 12 times its mass for such an assessment to work. Which is again absurd.

Indeed even if we were to assume an AT-AT was half its mass (despite being larger 😂 ), Vader would still be lifting 6 times the mass Soa did.

So Vader is lifting the heavier object here, a much heavier object; Yoda >> Vader, ergo, this feat does not put Soa in Yoda's league, like remotely. Case closed.

EDIT: Corrected the maths, don't worry, Yoda's still better. 🙂

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Looks can be deceiving. You sound like those 19th century whalers who would overestimate the size of the whales they typically caught or came across.

Official specifications of AT-AT have been conveyed to you. Member Zenwolf have provided even more conservative sizes figures.

By the Empire's time, however, large "walkers" dominated ground combat - above all. Standing 22.5 meters high, the long-striding All Terrain Armored Transport - known as AT-AT or simply walker - loomed over the battlefields of the Galactic Civil War like a huge armored version of pachyderm cavalry.

Taken from [B]Star Wars: The Essential Guide to Warfare

The officially known dimensions of AT-AT are following:-

Height = 22.5 m
Length = 20 m [/B]

But of course, sourcebooks are never wrong, and on that basis I accept your concession that Palpatine is a universe buster. 👆

I can't believe Legend is still arguing that tossing around those statues puts Soa above Yoda. 😆

But a machine can never be as heavy as solid mass like stone. 😕

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Official specifications also place the AT-AT's height at a mere 15 meters. 🙄

More than 15 meters tall and 20 meters long, this nearly unstoppable behemoth looked like a giant legendary beast from the dark side.

Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Originally posted by Beniboybling
But of course, sourcebooks are never wrong, and on that basis I accept your concession that Palpatine is a universe buster. 👆

Originally posted by The Ellimist
I can't believe Legend is still arguing that tossing around those statues puts Soa above Yoda. 😆

See that tiny figure right below the body of the AT-AT? That's Luke. Now please, kindly continue to argue that the AT-AT is 15 meters tall, and Luke is 3 feet tall. 👆

That tiny Luke over there has 19px height.
AT-AT has 433px height.

433/19 = 22,8

Luke Skywalker = 172 cm height
AT-AT = 172 cm * 22,8 = 3921,6 cm height

3921,6 cm = 39,216 meters

Solved

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No.

More than 15 meters tall and 20 meters long, this nearly unstoppable behemoth looked like a giant legendary beast from the dark side.

Taken from [B]The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia[/b]

WEG and the old Essential Guide recorded it as 15 meters, evidently since updated, but being wrong once means they can be wrong again.

Too bad, that is revelation of a single source. And contradicted by DE sources themselves.

Originally posted by JKBart
That tiny Luke over there has 19px height.
AT-AT has 433px height.

433/19 = 22,8

Luke Skywalker = 172 cm height
AT-AT = 172 cm * 22,8 = 3921,6 cm height

3921,6 cm = 39,216 meters

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Originally posted by The Ellimist

Look at the door below the clock tower for reference.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
See that tiny figure right below the body of the AT-AT? That's Luke. Now please, kindly continue to argue that the AT-AT is 15 meters tall, and Luke is 3 feet tall. 👆

I have considered AT-AT at 22.5 m in height and 20 m in length.

Do you seriously think the guy in your picture looks as small as Luke does next to the AT-AT? 🤣

As JkBart points out, the idea that the AT-AT is 22.5 meters tall can be disproven by just counting pixels. Like, this is fantastically dumb, even by your standards. And it wouldn't even substantiate your insane notion that tossing around statues would make a Yoda-tier feat in either case.

Yeah, tossing around those statues doesn't make Soa a Yoda level combatant, and Vader's feat is simply and logically more impressive.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Do you seriously think the guy in your picture looks as small as Luke does next to the AT-AT? 🤣

Why are you looking at the human in the photo of the building that I cited?

I told you to look at the door below the clock tower. That door will give you an idea how tall a human would be in comparison to it while standing really close to it.

Here is another photo: http://www.molon.de/galleries/Malaysia/KL/Batu/img.php?pic=7

People (standing closer to the camera) look larger then those who are standing very close to the statue. That statue is 42 m tall.

You don't have even basic sense of photography.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
As JkBart points out, the idea that the AT-AT is 22.5 meters tall can be disproven by just counting pixels. Like, this is fantastically dumb, even by your standards. And it wouldn't even substantiate your insane notion that tossing around statues would make a Yoda-tier feat in either case.

Using screenshots to estimate the size of an object can be problematic and not recommended.

That picture of the tower is taken from the angle, making the perspective completely different.

As you can see, in the picture it looks like the tower is leaning backwards lmao, that's why the guy looks larger

Screenshot with AT-AT shows everything perfectly aligned, that's why it's legit

Is there a reason why you're trying to guess how big the AT-AT is relative to Luke by arguing from pictorial analogies rather than...just using the AT-AT image directly, like Bart did? 😂

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Using screenshots to estimate the size of an object can be problematic and not recommended.

Why? Luke and the AT-AT are essentially vertical, so it's pretty easy to line them up, measure their pixel length, and convert. Simple arithmetic. And we know that the films hold precedence over sourcebooks. Where is the "problem" in Bart's calculations?

Seriously, I thought you were at a point where your stupid comments had hit diminishing returns and you couldn't really make your reputation worse than it really was, but clearly I under[over?]estimated you.

It's problematic because it doesn't align with his opinion. 👆

Also Legend should I assume a concession on the Yoda vs Soa front (i.e. the actual debate) considering your lack of a response?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Is there a reason why you're trying to guess how big the AT-AT is relative to Luke by arguing from pictorial analogies rather than...just using the AT-AT image directly, like Bart did? 😂

Why? Luke and the AT-AT are essentially vertical, so it's pretty easy to line them up, measure their pixel length, and convert. Simple arithmetic. And we know that the films hold precedence over sourcebooks. Where is the "problem" in Bart's calculations?

Seriously, I thought you were at a point where your stupid comments had hit diminishing returns and you couldn't really make your reputation worse than it really was, but clearly I under[over?]estimated you.

You can see humans stationed inside it. The height of AT-AT in the aforementioned photo is compatible with 22.5 m official figure.

22.5 m = 73.81 feet

A 6 foot tall individual will look really short next to a 73.81 foot tall structure or vehicle.

That's a sourcebook. The movies take precedence. You know, as we've been repeating to you multiple times.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
That's a sourcebook. The movies take precedence. You know, as we've been repeating to you multiple times.

Now;

😂