Originally posted by quanchi112
Red matter gives Star Wars the cancer.Rest in hell Palpatine's shitty empire.
Red matter is only effective after being dropped into a planets core which has been drilled into. Literally all it would take is a TIE-Fighter to take out the drill and maybe two more to destroy the entire ship
Originally posted by SunRazer
GE is getting curbed. Do you realize how many Sith Empires have existed up to then? The fact that the GE is far greater in number to any single Empire doesn't matter when the collective figures of these Empires shits on the GE, lmfao.
Take an extreme counterexample: do you think the collective islamic caliphates of history could take on modern America?
Many of these sith empires literally had a few hundred or a few thousand planets. Add them all together, and there's no guarantee that they'd come to within a fraction of the Empire's million star systems and 50 million or so colonies. And that's not even getting started on the disparity in industry and tech, which may be measured in the orders of magnitude - the Empire has more star destroyers than many of these other empires had cruisers, and those star destroyers are like a dozen times larger, to say nothing of their pound for pound quality.
I'm not saying that the GE necessarily wins, but calling it a definite stomp isn't looking at it carefully enough.
The Death Star, Galaxy guns and sun crushers in development in the maw, 25,000 1600 meter star destroyers, numerous massive super star destroyers, planetary shields, tens of millions of cruisers, etc. The ships are much larger, clearly; but we know that the tech has advanced - the ships used at the height of the clone wars are already obsolete, and none of those were used at the time of Ruusan.
You're also just assuming that numbers favor the empires because there are lots of them. Yet lots have like a few thousand worlds; against the Empire's millions, they don't add up very well. Heck, the Republic at its height only had like 100,000.
But really at least in terms of naval combat, the old Sith Empires are getting tanked and spanked.
First of all Ellm is on the money, they are vastly outclassed in terms of military superiority. One only need compare the armament of the flagship of Revan's Sith Empire with that of a 1st-generation ISD to see that, the Leviathan is almost tripled in size and outgunned 10 to 1 by superior cannons to boot (and for shits and giggles, compare that to Vader's flagship, the Executor.) The warships of Vitiate's Sith Empire were not much better and previous empire's sported even more pitiful armament and didn't even possess deflector shields. There is also little evidence to suggest headway was made during the New Sith Wars.
On top of that they have interdictor technology, whereas that sported by Revan's Sith Empire has become obsolete, that means it will be easy for the GE to box in and bottleneck their opponents into ambushes and killzones by controlling the hyperlanes.
Suffice to say irrespective of whether they possess a numbers advantage, it amounts to jack all when the GE can immoblise their navies at will and handful of ISDs, if even that, could solo a fleet of their warships. They have nothing that could stop the advance of a Super Star Destroyer. Bringing out superweapons like the Eclipse and the Death Star under these circumstances would be overkill.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
The Death Star, Galaxy guns and sun crushers in development in the maw, 25,000 1600 meter star destroyers, numerous massive super star destroyers, planetary shields, tens of millions of cruisers, etc. The ships are much larger, clearly; but we know that the tech has advanced - the ships used at the height of the clone wars are already obsolete, and none of those were used at the time of Ruusan.
This is the GE as of RotJ. You're using NR-era superweapons.
For these, I'd counter with the Star Forge, the Mass Shadow Generator, Desolator, the Gauntlet, the Dark Reaper, etc, which can all eradicate planetary surfaces/all life on those surfaces, or entire fleets. These are all somewhat comparable to the Death Star in terms of destructive capacity (eradicating all life on a world will be approximately equal to destroying a planet itself for the sake of simplicity) - some being capable of tearing apart worlds and fleets as well, and they're more numerous than the GE's superweapons. We've yet to consider the Corsair, which can cause solar flares or even detonate stars, which can wipe out entire fleets/planets. And, of course, Nihilus, the Dread Masters, Vitiate's rituals, etc - though I suppose it'd only be fair if we had Sidious and his BM/Wormholes as well.
Also, it'd help if most of Vitiate's Empire's capital ships had a Silencer equipped, since those can annihilate small fleets/capital ships, IIRC. Nox tells the Moffs to get one installed on their capital ships, but I don't recall anything being spoken about the whether that ended up happening.
You're also just assuming that numbers favor the empires because there are lots of them. Yet lots have like a few thousand worlds; against the Empire's millions, they don't add up very well. Heck, the Republic at its height only had like 100,000.
These are valid points. That said, there's also Sith orders like the Triumvirate, which had no conquest interests, but still eliminated tens of thousands of Jedi and could wipe out all life on entire worlds.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I balked, what utter nonsense. 🙂
Yeah, that was pretty dumb. Though I'm not sure how many times you get to include the Primitive Sith Empires, not that they'd make much of a difference. It'd require speculation, but there's also quite a few Empires during the New Sith Wars. Besides, there's a lot more Force users in the older Empires, which compensates for the numbers difference.
I'm also inclined to think that what numbers are available for the old Empires are sufficient to hold off the GE whilst things like the Star Forge are mass-producing virtually infinite fleets that will indeed be shitting on the GE in terms of number. Ant could probably expand on the SF's capabilities better than I could, but it's quite possibly the most powerful superweapon ever.
Also, how many Sith are there in Vitiate's Empire? Because the military outnumbered the Sith 10000 to 1, IIRC.