Originally posted by SunRazerWithout accounting for Force sensitives, yes. Accounting for them? I don't know. There is only so much they can do in space and so many fronts they can be on, and rarely has their powers turned the tides of war, only battles.
@Beni - Is the space advantage so vast? As you said, if we're including top tier Sith, then this makes a huge difference. After all, despite the relatively puny size of the Old Sith Empire to the Galactic Republic, Sadow's Battle Meditation + Illusions made it so that they were practically curbing, and we have the Dread Masters tearing apart fleets with their TP. Nihilus feasting on worlds is another benefit.
If anything such a strategy could backfire, leading to their most powerful fighters being blown up in space. However, it's also probably their best chance of winning.
Originally posted by SunRazer
The Sith leaders would butcher everyone in his palace. Even Palpatine can't fight them all at once. And even if Palpatine knew precisely where each of them were, teleporting them each to his Palace seems like a fantastical scenario of precision.
Not if he puts them in a room rigged with thermal detonators, targeted for orbital bombardment, inside a fusion furnace, etc. And he did basically the exact same thing to Luke.
Palpatine's adepts don't even remotely compare to the Sith Lords of old, lol. As long as there's one major Dark Lord and a bunch of the weaker Sith leading the charge on each planet, the GE's screwed. Then there's the fact that many of these old Sith Lords will live on as spirits, and they can possess the crews of nearby GE capital ships and crash them into planets as Horak-Mul did in TOR.
Not if those sith lead the charge and then get obliterated in base delta zeroes. And when they live on as spirits, they're not like Qui Gon; they're trapped on the planet's surface. Maybe if the ISD's get near the atmosphere they'd be in danger.
Your average Interdictor-class warship from the KotOR era can ravage planets ala Taris.
Planetary shields.
Silencer-equipped capital ships from the TOR era can nuke entire fleets,
They can nuke TOR-era fleets, not those of the Galactic Empire.
and the technology available to the GE means nothing when they're being mind controlled by the DM's to use that technology on their own fleets.
Yeah, obviously the DM's have better TP feats than Palpatine...oh...wait...
We're also forgetting Sadow's Battle Meditation + Illusions, which would easily give any Old Empire Fleet the win over a GE fleet. There's simply far more BM practitioners in the Old Empires than the GE.
Yeah but Sadow is one person; he can't be around everywhere whilst the Empire's executor-class super star destroyers are wrecking havoc across the entire galaxy simultaneously.
And if he's losing, Sadow can just run away and blow up the nearest star, which would wipe out the GE fleet too.
No? A star going nova isn't going to be a problem, they can just jump away.
You're nitpicking like seven or so noteworthy sith, who probably collectively can't do as much damage as Wankatine and his storms, whereas the Empire has an entire galactic military and industry capable of churning out super star destroyers, Death Stars, sun crushers, etc. at a frightening pace.
Tech doesn't compare to the Force - a notion repeatedly established in SW.
Yeah, I totally remember that time when the "millions" of TOR-era sith took down the Republic on their own rather than waiting hundreds of years to build up a conventional military...oh...wait...
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
nah, that doesn't account for the combination of all sith empires.
Sure it does. It doesn't specifically mention one empire and one conflict. It says the days in which the Sith and Jedi battled across the stars. That's a lot of empires and a lot of separate conflicts. That includes TOTJ, KOTOR, KOTOR2, SWTOR, etc.
Also look at the sizes; many of these glorious sith empires only had a few hundred or a few thousand planets under their control, compared to the Empire's one million star systems + 50 million or so outposts. Even if you think the numbers/industry gap were proportional to the size gap (despite the Empire's greater military buildup, tech, organization, etc.), it's not clear if they can add up. And even if there were numerical parity, the gap in tech and firepower is still absurd.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
That's a lot of reaching there, good job👆. Remind me when that quote was written. Was it before the creation of another 3 empires? Or are you going to tell me it applies retroactively and includes all the empires? That's some legend level rationalization there.
I'm just telling you what the quote says. It doesn't identify just one iteration of the Sith. It clearly says that the ships that were fielded during the conflicts of the Old Republic are but a mere fraction of the Empire's fleets.
That's a fact. 👆
Every quote has context so nobody stands by every quote being valid and taken literally. That is unless it helps their argument.
As far as the quote, it simply says that any given time, the numbers were a fraction compared to the GE. It makes no mention nor assumption of combined numbers. That is also a fact 👆
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Also look at the sizes; many of these glorious sith empires only had a few hundred or a few thousand planets under their control, compared to the Empire's one million star systems + 50 million or so outposts. Even if you think the numbers/industry gap were proportional to the size gap (despite the Empire's greater military buildup, tech, organization, etc.), it's not clear if they can add up. And even if there were numerical parity, the gap in tech and firepower is still absurd.
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