All Sith Empires vs. The Galactic Empire

Started by The Ellimist7 pages
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Really?

Yes. Lando asks what those star destroyers are doing, we see imperial officers being told to hold their fire...


Back to your 'far more advanced' nonsense?

Vessels got bigger but technologies remained similar.

Even if they only got bigger, they're still superior ship for ship then. And seeing as how vessels were being phased out through the Clone Wars, and then entirely replaced by RotJ, it's obvious that technological development was ongoing; for instance, the ISDI got upgraded to the ISDII, the Acclamators faded into obsolesce, but were themselves massive upgrades over the previous Ruusan-era ships, etc.

If tech remained constant, why do we see militaries investing in R&D and phasing away old weaponry?


Here is a hint: Battle Meditation

Exactly. The fleet went crazy because Palpatine was holding them and then his death left a sudden void.

Legend this isn't a matter of debate, its a fact that the GE warships possessed a vastly larger armament than their ancient counterparts. In that example I showed you the best ship in Revan's Empire was outgunned by an ISD 10 to 1, to the Executor, over 200 to 1.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I balked, what utter nonsense. 🙂

http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=5621017&postcount=396

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Spoiler:
inb4 Ventress > Shaak Ti link

Originally posted by Selenial
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Universal tech rule. hmph

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Not if he puts them in a room rigged with thermal detonators, targeted for orbital bombardment, inside a fusion furnace, etc. And he did basically the exact same thing to Luke.

Teleporting one person doesn't compare to teleporting dozens from separate points in the galaxy, lol.

Not if those sith lead the charge and then get obliterated in base delta zeroes. And when they live on as spirits, they're not like Qui Gon; they're trapped on the planet's surface. Maybe if the ISD's get near the atmosphere they'd be in danger.

Of course the spirits (mostly) will only affect proximate ships, although some can traverse the galaxy.

Planetary shields.

They won't be on every world, and they can be disabled on foot.

They can nuke TOR-era fleets, not those of the Galactic Empire.

Sure, but they'd still cause substantial damage to GE ships.

But this reminds me - there's people like Nihilus who can hold their ships together even after they've withstood structural damage that should result in destruction. Ergo, it can last indefinitely whilst it keeps firing on the GE ships until they're destroyed, or Nihilus tears them apart with TK.

Yeah, obviously the DM's have better TP feats than Palpatine...oh...wait...

Didn't you say that Palpatine was using Wormholes to teleport people? Not to mention that he's likely using Battle Meditation on proximate fleet battles - he's not using counteracting Vitiate/DM's TP at the same time, lmfao. Not to mention that the DM's and Palpatine could be on entirely different sides of the galaxy. Sidious would likely be constantly contending with assassins as well. He's not able to counteract all of the shizz that goes on in the greater galaxy.

Yeah but Sadow is one person; he can't be around everywhere whilst the Empire's executor-class super star destroyers are wrecking havoc across the entire galaxy simultaneously.

Sadow's powers were affecting several star systems at once - which is why he was dividing his armies between planets all over the galaxy. He was able to bolster them all with his Battle Meditation.

No? A star going nova isn't going to be a problem, they can just jump away.

Based on what? If they're not aware of the star's impending doom, they'd be engaged in the battle whilst Sadow prepares his jump to hyperspace. He times the star's detonation to be simultaneous with his jump to light speed, and both fleets are destroyed.

You're nitpicking like seven or so noteworthy sith, who probably collectively can't do as much damage as Wankatine and his storms, whereas the Empire has an entire galactic military and industry capable of churning out super star destroyers, Death Stars, sun crushers, etc. at a frightening pace.

I'm not nitpicking anything. We're taking the most powerful figures here. Sidious can only manage so many things at a time, and I assume he has enough strategic intelligence to not simply ravage every world and moon that there's a battle on with his Wormholes.

Because Revan and Malak have already studied the Star Forge (and we won't be having the delays that they did in the KotOR era), then they can immediately invoke its powers to mass-produce infinite fleets which are more quickly produced and in greater number than any production method available to the GE. This is the same superweapon that Revan mused could potentially create entire galaxies.

Not only that, but there's so many more superweapons already available to the old Empires, many of which can already wipe out planets, and it's easy to destroy the GE's superweapon projects like the Sun Crusher and Galaxy Gun.

Yeah, I totally remember that time when the "millions" of TOR-era sith took down the Republic on their own rather than waiting hundreds of years to build up a conventional military...oh...wait...

It's too bad for the GE that it's not just the TOR Empire then, isn't it?

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Originally posted by SunRazer
Teleporting one person doesn't compare to teleporting dozens from separate points in the galaxy, lol.

Fine, he does it one at a time...


Of course the spirits (mostly) will only affect proximate ships, although some can traverse the galaxy.

Source?


They won't be on every world, and they can be disabled on foot.

So now they're expected to penetrate the Empire's fleets, orbital defenses and ground forces all so that they can take down a planetary shield, at which point they still have to win the space battle? Meanwhile, the Empire can just assault the far less well defended sith worlds with impunity.


Sure, but they'd still cause substantial damage to GE ships.

Not as much as the other way around. As Beni demonstrated, an imperial star destroyer outguns the best ships we've ever seen from the sith by like a ten to one margin, let alone the Empire's super star destroyers.


But this reminds me - there's people like Nihilus who can hold their ships together even after they've withstood structural damage that should result in destruction. Ergo, it can last indefinitely whilst it keeps firing on the GE ships until they're destroyed, or Nihilus tears them apart with TK.

Dude, that's like one ship. This is a galactic war. And no, Nihilus isn't holding his ship together from literal vaporization.


Didn't you say that Palpatine was using Wormholes to teleport people? Not to mention that he's likely using Battle Meditation on proximate fleet battles - he's not using counteracting Vitiate/DM's TP at the same time, lmfao. Not to mention that the DM's and Palpatine could be on entirely different sides of the galaxy. Sidious would likely be constantly contending with assassins as well. He's not able to counteract all of the shizz that goes on in the greater galaxy.

So why do you take the DM's and Vitiate to be able to do so many things at once, rather than merely taking part in a single fleet battle while numerous are raging across the galaxy at the same time? How do they even get there in time before the Empire with its superior hyperdrives razes a planet?


Sadow's powers were affecting several star systems at once - which is why he was dividing his armies between planets all over the galaxy. He was able to bolster them all with his Battle Meditation.

It was still a rather minuscule front. There's a reason why his Empire had, what, a few hundred worlds at best?


Based on what? If they're not aware of the star's impending doom, they'd be engaged in the battle whilst Sadow prepares his jump to hyperspace. He times the star's detonation to be simultaneous with his jump to light speed, and both fleets are destroyed.

OK, cool; so he gets one shot off before people figure it out, thus doing the same amount of damage that the Death Star can do on repeat throughout the war with impunity, or that Palpatine can just do whenever he feels like it, or that even a single star destroyer could do anyway.


I'm not nitpicking anything. We're taking the most powerful figures here. Sidious can only manage so many things at a time, and I assume he has enough strategic intelligence to not simply ravage every world and moon that there's a battle on with his Wormholes.

You're nitpicking in the sense that you're relying on a half dozen prominent sith to turn the tides against the entire galactic empire.


Because Revan and Malak have already studied the Star Forge (and we won't be having the delays that they did in the KotOR era), then they can immediately invoke its powers to mass-produce infinite fleets which are more quickly produced and in greater number than any production method available to the GE. This is the same superweapon that Revan mused could potentially create entire galaxies.

There's no evidence that the Star Forge has a greater industrial potential than the Empire. Again, it empirically doesn't, and I'm skeptical of your claim that we don't see endless feats in kotor because of a delay in "figuring it out". They had already been at war for quite a while, and had had plenty of time to figure it out.


Not only that, but there's so many more superweapons already available to the old Empires, many of which can already wipe out planets, and it's easy to destroy the GE's superweapon projects like the Sun Crusher and Galaxy Gun.

Actually, most of the ancient superweapons are surpassed by star destroyers, or at most just the superlasers on Executors.

How do you easily destroy the galaxy gun when it can be parked in the middle of deep space and destroy planets? How can you easily destroy the sun crusher when it survived a glancing hit from the Death Star's superlaser?


It's too bad for the GE that it's not just the TOR Empire then, isn't it?

Even together they pale in size to the Empire, and this is to say nothing about the industrial, logistical, and technological gaps.

By the by...do any of the SEs have like...any ground vehicles? I recall only a two legged walker and a four legged walker....and that's literally it.