Anakin Skywalker vs Darth Vader

Started by UCanShootMyNova15 pages
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
👆 So Palpatine's comments that Vader was soon become more powerful doesn't trump the narrator of ROTS.

Ah, thought you were referring to yourself in regards to SW debating.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I have the text, whereas your arbitrarily drawing a line in the sand.

You have your interpretation of the text. I have mine.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
That's what I've been saying.

I don't see why those should be taken over third person omniscient author quotes granted I understand why one would side with them over Sidious's musings.

He didn't forget them. He just refused to think about them or view them in a light that would allow him to come to terms with them. He even thinks of Padme and Obi Wan at the beginning of RotJ using his memories of them to fuel his rage.


Cool.

Hm?

If he refused to think about them, then he wouldn't be thinking about them in the analysis of skill and power. 👆

When does he think about Padme? He thinks about Ben since he's apart of his life following the transformation.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Cool.

Hm?

If he refused to think about them, then he wouldn't be thinking about them in the analysis of skill and power. 👆

When does he think about Padme? He thinks about Ben since he's apart of his life following the transformation.

Read my post on the last page. I added the point that the other quote regarding the encounter clarifies that it wouldn't just be in reference to Mustafar Anakin.

He didn't refuse to think about them and that's the point. He refused to think about them in a way that would allow him to reconcile his actions. Assessing his former power isn't something that would threaten that.

I can't think of any on hand honestly but I'm sure there are.

Does anybody have examples of times Vader thought of Padme as Vader?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Read my post on the last page.

He didn't refuse to think about them and that's the point. He refused to think about them in a way that would allow him to reconcile his actions. Assessing his former power isn't something that would threaten that.

I can't think of any on hand honestly but I'm sure there are.


No, he suppressed his memories of the past.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Does anybody have examples of times Vader thought of Padme as Vader?

I don't think any exist following 18ish BBY.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No, he suppressed his memories of the past.

One moment.

There you go Ant. Vader remembering something from his past.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ImKFaJ60io

That's non-canon. 😬 It's from Infinities, IIRC.

He muses about Padme during his meditation. Uses it to feed his anger.

Quote? I believe that was still during 19 BBY.

In RotJ I mean. I'll post it when I find it.

99% sure you're wrong.

The text only makes mention of Padme once, that I can recall.

And that one time is his memories being unsuppressed. 👆

@Ant just making up excuses for the numerous quotes that put Vader>Anakin and not providing any for Anakin>Vader

I have a wealth of quotes putting Anakin Skywalker above Yoda.

I also have a quote from Fightsaber stating Darth Vader as of A New Hope is still a shadow of what Anakin once was.

Note, note that all of Darth Vader's feats take place prior to A New Hope.

So, the fact of the matter is:

- An accolade comparison yields Anakin Skywalker above Yoda in the Force.

- A feat comparison finds Anakin Skywalker faster, stronger, more powerful, and more skilled than Darth Vader.

Anakin truly is Vader's superior.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I have a wealth of quotes putting Anakin Skywalker above Yoda.

I also have a quote from Fightsaber stating Darth Vader as of A New Hope is still a shadow of what Anakin once was.

Note, note that all of Darth Vader's feats take place prior to A New Hope.

So, the fact of the matter is:

- An accolade comparison yields Anakin Skywalker above Yoda in the Force.

- A feat comparison finds Anakin Skywalker faster, stronger, more powerful, and more skilled than Darth Vader.

They mean nothing when Yoda has those very same quotes. The difference being he actually has the feats to back it up.

Not at all. Feat for feat Anakin can't be proved to be above Vader.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I have a wealth of quotes putting Anakin Skywalker above Yoda.

I also have a quote from Fightsaber stating Darth Vader as of A New Hope is still a shadow of what Anakin once was.

Note, note that all of Darth Vader's feats take place prior to A New Hope.

So, the fact of the matter is:

- An accolade comparison yields Anakin Skywalker above Yoda in the Force.

- A feat comparison finds Anakin Skywalker faster, stronger, more powerful, and more skilled than Darth Vader.


It just seems to me that there's more evidence directly putting Vader>Anakin but I'm willing to hear you out. Can you post them?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Anakin in all, and pretty easily too.