Yup. I question why Ant didn't use the Databank quote that says Vader wanted to forget and shed himself off of Anakin's indentity indefinitely, further countering Vader's subjective opinion on a "power-growth".
I'd also like to draw attention to the fact that Luke, someone who at the time had a lot less training and a lot less potential than Anakin, was capable of stalemating Vader and their powers were recorded as equal.
Keeping that in mind, if Luke could be at least comparable to Vader, then Luke on steroids and greater training(i.e. Anakin) can undoubtably be his superior.
Originally posted by Ursumeles
He did an better job, than you two proving Vader > Anakin.
Coming from you and people like Wolf who wank the character to further their own agenda that doesn't mean much.
And no, I'm not saying you do so to further an agenda as Wolf does to wank Dooku but given your one of his minions that hardly matters.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Coming from you and people like Wolf who wank the character to further their own agenda that doesn't mean much.And no, I'm not saying you do so to further an agenda as Wolf does to wank Dooku but given your one of his minions that hardly matters.
You're doing the exact same thing with Galen Marek. 😆
You just cannot handle being the laughing-stock of the board. 😂
Annie > Vader > Wanken Marek. 👆
Originally posted by MythLord
Yup. I question why Ant didn't use the Databank quote that says Vader wanted to forget and shed himself off of Anakin's indentity indefinitely, further countering Vader's subjective opinion on a "power-growth".I'd also like to draw attention to the fact that Luke, someone who at the time had a lot less training and a lot less potential than Anakin, was capable of stalemating Vader and their powers were recorded as equal.
Keeping that in mind, if Luke could be at least comparable to Vader, then Luke on steroids and greater training(i.e. Anakin) can undoubtably be his superior.
Further countering? The only thing he used to counter it was to claim that Vader literally suppressed memories of his past to the point he couldn't even recall them until he was near death. Now I can't post example on hand but there are numerous cases where Vader remember his life before the suit.
If we're going to use the Lucas quotes that Ant has been using to further his agenda then you have to accept that Luke has exactly equal potential to Anakin. And Luke was capable of stalemating Vader in lightsaber combat. In regards to power he's not even above him as of DE where Sidious notes that Luke could one day surpass his father.
Originally posted by MythLord
You're doing the exact same thing with Galen Marek. 😆You just cannot handle being the laughing-stock of the board. 😂
Annie > Vader > Wanken Marek. 👆
Disregarding Marek or bias I'm not going to go through mental hoops to say Anakin > Vader based off him not remembering anything before he was put into the suit. That's ridiculous.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Further countering? The only thing he used to counter it was to claim that Vader literally suppressed memories of his past to the point he couldn't even recall them until he was near death. Now I can't post example on hand but there are numerous cases where Vader remember his life before the suit.
Yeah, and each of those times
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
If we're going to use the Lucas quotes that Ant has been using to further his agenda then you have to accept that Luke has exactly equal potential to Anakin. And Luke was capable of stalemating Vader in lightsaber combat. In regards to power he's not even above him as of DE where Sidious notes that Luke could one day surpass his father.
The EU seems to counterbalance that, as does the existance of the Ones which Lucas himself canonized. 👆
And Sidious notes Luke could be "far more powerful" than Darth Vader if he turned to the Dark Side in that instant. And that's just him goading Luke, since Sheev openly admitted if Luke learned his Dark Side secrets he could "conquer him". 👆
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Disregarding Marek or bias I'm not going to go through mental hoops to say Anakin > Vader based off him not remembering anything before he was put into the suit. That's ridiculous.
Well you're too -- what was the word you used? -- obtuse to comprehend that Vader remembering Anakin is irrelevant since he thinks Anakin is a seperate entity and completely shed himself of his former indentity.
He thinks of them as two different people. 👆
Originally posted by MythLord
Yeah, and each of those timesThe EU seems to counterbalance that, as does the existance of the Ones which Lucas himself canonized. 👆
And Sidious notes Luke could be "far more powerful" than Darth Vader if he turned to the Dark Side in that instant. And that's just him goading Luke, since Sheev openly admitted if Luke learned his Dark Side secrets he could "conquer him". 👆
And each of those times what?
In what way?
You're twisting the context. He notes that DE Luke could surpass his father after he'd already submitted to Palpatine meaning he wasn't greater at that point.
Originally posted by Trocity
Either Vader really isn't all that great then, or ROTJ Luke is a lot better than most people give him credit for, considering all evidence points to Luke holding back against Vader and Vader being willing to kill him during ROTJ while being f***ing amped by Palpatine?LOL! Anakin wins this easily.
Luke's slightly underrated here and Vader's overrated. He's obviously very powerful, but his showings and accolades don't put him above RotS Obi-Wan as a duelist.
Originally posted by MythLord
Well you're too -- what was the word you used? -- obtuse to comprehend that Vader remembering Anakin is irrelevant since he thinks Anakin is a seperate entity and completely shed himself of his former indentity.
He thinks of them as two different people. 👆
Holy crap. You don't believe that and I certainly don't believe that. Of course Vader doesn't think he's actually two different people. He refers to his former self in third person and states he's no longer Anakin because metaphorically he's not. But that doesn't mean he's going to ignore his history when he's assessing his own ability. Holy sh!t.
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
And each of those times what?In what way?
You're twisting the context. He notes that DE Luke could surpass his father after he'd already submitted to Palpatine meaning he wasn't greater at that point.
He thinks of Anakin as a separate entity. 👆
By showing us that Anakin has the potential comparable to Ones, as oppose to Luke who, in Oneness, gets smacked by Abeloth's avatar. 👆
Luke was openly doubting the Dark Side and turned off his lightsaber as he did not want to fight Leia. Immediately after the lightning shock he goes after Sheev himself, so no I'm not twisting the context -- you're forgetting it. 👆
Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Holy crap. You don't believe that and I certainly don't believe that. Of course Vader doesn't think he's actually two different people. He refers to his former self in third person and states he's no longer Anakin because metaphorically he's not. But that doesn't mean he's going to ignore his history when he's assessing his own ability. Holy sh!t.
Holy sh!t: Vader thinks he's one person who used to be another person. How you have no comprehension skills to understand that is beyond me. 👆
Originally posted by SunRazer
The quote in RotJ where Vader feels more powerful than ever is Vader being in the presence of the Emperor and being amped accordingly.
The Emperor does not passively amp Force users. He can actively imbue a being with power but there's no reason for him to do so in the scene depicted.