Canon Luke vs Canon Palpatine

Started by Lord Stark7 pages
Originally posted by quanchi112
If you were being honest you'd admit to it and just say you're biased.

Shhhh, just let it out, mate. All your trauma and angst built up from years of being forced to take it on the chin on these boards. It must have been hard for you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you were being honest you'd admit to it and just say you're biased.

My friend, you seem upset by the prior exchanges in this debate. Why is this? Do you have trouble accepting other opinions? 😕

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Shhhh, just let it out, mate. All your trauma and angst built up from years of being forced to take it on the chin on these boards. It must have been hard for you.
You are the one ignoring the actual points. Saying Palpatine zapped Yoda who couldn't discern the obvious shows how stupid Yoda was not how impressive Sidious was.

Originally posted by Big Gerald
My friend, you seem upset by the prior exchanges in this debate. Why is this? Do you have trouble accepting other opinions? 😕
No, you are incorrect.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are the one ignoring the actual points. Saying Palpatine zapped Yoda who couldn't discern the obvious shows how stupid Yoda was not how impressive Sidious was.

No it really doesn't. Lucas makes it painfully clear that Sidious' lightning is far and away faster and more powerful than Dooku's. You even see Yoda raise his right hand in an attempt to block it but he gets overwhelmed. Yoda underestimated Sidious and got blitzed. It's that simple.

Luke's best feat from TLJ is the illusions. He has other feats in-canon, though, which we can then scale to him(like shaking a Star Destroyer in a fit of rage).

Originally posted by Lord Stark
No it really doesn't. Lucas makes it painfully clear that Sidious' lightning is far and away faster and more powerful than Dooku's. You even see Yoda raise his right hand in an attempt to block it but he gets overwhelmed. Yoda underestimated Sidious and got blitzed. It's that simple.
It being faster and more powerful than Dooku's doesn't take away from slowly raising his hands and attacking Yoda which takes over two seconds. Yes, Yoda was too slow to react. It happens, but when his guard is raised and he's in the fight he blocks the fl with his own force powers. Yoda underestimating and being caught off guard highlights his ineptitude. This doesn't make Palpatine look great. Equals in terms of the force whereas Snoke has no equal.

Originally posted by MythLord
Luke's best feat from TLJ is the illusions. He has other feats in-canon, though, which we can then scale to him(like shaking a Star Destroyer in a fit of rage).

Not sure that’s applicable to his much older self, he could have degraded especially since he cut himself off from the force and then got it back.

Eh, I'm assuming this is prime Luke: the one before cutting himself off from the Force.

Honestly I really don’t mind if Luke’s speciality is astral projection over say Lightsaber combat. Some things can’t be solved by waving a laser sword around (as Luke himself points out).

His Lightsaber combat probably peaked much earlier on, and then as he got older and more pacifist he developed his force powers in different areas.

What sucks is we have no metric for comparing new characters to old characters.

Well Luke did confirm he Prequels were the Jedi at the height of their powers

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well Luke did confirm he Prequels were the Jedi at the height of their powers

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at the height of their power. singular. meaning their political power id always taken that to mean because aside from Yoda and mace we see Jedi drop left right and centre to separatist/clones/sith forces throughout the PT easily enough indicating that most were at best competent with the Force

"POLITICAL POWER"

Harr....

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
"POLITICAL POWER"

Reys feat at the end of the film is pretty high tier for movie only feats.

Yeah, if Rey gets explored more in terms of power I can see her being one of the strongest Jedi in history. Shes got Yoda tier potential for sure.

^ Yoda tier? Pfft. She was beating on Dark Siders the first time she held a Saber. She’ll end up being Mortis gods tier.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
he also ordered all of the tie fighters to go after the falcon. i wouldn't assume kylo's actions can be assumed to be backed by reason

Actually that was Hux who ordered “All the Tie Fightets” to go after the Falcon. Kylo Ren Just ordered it to be destroyed.

She was beating on Dark Siders the first time she held a Saber. She’ll end up being Mortis gods tier.

Now that Anakin is dead, the Force, as per Snoke, is using Kylo and Rey to maintain the balance that Anakin established.

In other words, Kylo and Rey are effectively the new Son and Daughter.