Canon Luke vs Canon Palpatine

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

Now that Anakin is dead, the Force, as per Snoke, is using Kylo and Rey to maintain the balance that Anakin established.

In other words, Kylo and Rey are effectively the new Son and Daughter. [/B]

he didn't quite go there and neither did the film with that little kid being a Force user also but I do like that scenario; it'd put Anakin chosen one status in a clear light and give him the status he had in the PT again

Snoke says as Kylo grows in power so too will his equal in the light.

In other words, the Force is using them as a balancing act.

yes i recall him saying that but the kid at the end makes Snokes statement a load of shit; no matter which side that kid and other will choose it puts the equation out of balance again

I'm not following. There's always going to be millions of undiscovered Force-users throughout the galaxy in any time period. They're apart of the natural equation.

Rey and Kylo embody the light and dark sides of that equation, just like Anakin embodied the balance.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Snoke says as Kylo grows in power so too will his equal in the light.

In other words, the Force is using them as a balancing act.

The dialogue makes it painfully obvious.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Yeah, you all keep formulating this strawman that I'm trying to say Luke is inferior to a padawan. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying Luke getting caught off guard by a Padawan

Luke in a state of emotional turmoil (both explicitly stated and showed on screen) != Luke in a fair fight. This concept - a high potential / relatively low actualized power combatant getting in a shot against a superior, distracted foe happens like in almost every single piece of Star Wars canon or legends.

in conjunction with his lack of real showings

That suggests uncertainty, not weakness. I know you could say "well in the absence of more information the probability that he's such an outlier as to be Sidious-tier is unlikely", but that doesn't work here because the default assumption for Luke Skywalker would be that he's on Sidious's tier because of his canon potential.

But if you think that's a lame copout, then fine - but it's even lamer to say "he didn't do much so therefore he's weak", because the uncertainty card favors the prior assumption that he grew much more powerful from being = Vader in RotJ, not that he's weak.

is disqualifying for him to be even remotely comparable to Sidious. If Old Master Maul's only real combat feats in Rebels were getting wrecked by Kanan and then dying of exhaustion after projecting himself in a duel on Tatooine with Kenobi no one would be attempting to argue he's even remotely comparable to Darth Sidious. Because it's ridiculous. That's literally all I've been arguing this whole time. [/B]

You're also ignoring that he has the most impressive Force feat in the entire movie saga. Well, you're not ignoring it - but you're unnecessarily downplaying it.

Good to see you back, Ell.

Thanks. How's it been going?

@Ellimist

What is the most impressive force feat in the entire saga ? The projection feat at the end ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
@Ellimist

What is the most impressive force feat in the entire saga ? The projection feat at the end ?

I'd say so, though I guess it's hard to compare different kinds of feats.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
I'd say so, though I guess it's hard to compare different kinds of feats.

Is Ahch To a nexus? And even if it were, would such a thing be relevant when projecting oneself across the galaxy or would the place you are projecting to be more important?

Originally posted by ares834
Is Ahch To a nexus? And even if it were, would such a thing be relevant when projecting oneself across the galaxy or would the place you are projecting to be more important?

It seems you are unable to grasp simple concepts. First, what states Ahch To is a force nexus?

Secondly, since he is manifesting on Crait that would suggest he is controlling Force energy on Crait and not Ahch To. Therefore, he wouldn't be using Ahch To's force nexus (if it even exists) and therefore not amped. Or perhaps astral projection works in an entirely different way, who really knows.

Originally posted by ares834
It seems you are unable to grasp simple concepts. First, what states Ahch To is a force nexus? You're stating this is as a fact but I haven't seen why.

Secondly, since he is manifesting on Crait that would suggest he is controlling Force energy on Crait and not Ahch To.

Ps. Any feat accomplished by the force can be amped by a nexus. It's rather simplistic concept to grasp.

Maybe. But that's never stated. For all we know, that may simply be a nice place to meditate. Don't get me wrong, I expect that Ahch To is abnormally strong with the force but the film never overtly tells us so.

Originally posted by ares834
Maybe. But that's never stated. For all we know, that may simply be a nice place to meditate. Don't get me wrong, I expect that Ahch To is abnormally strong with the force but the film never overtly tells us so.

This is also the same planet where they keep the original Jedi texts. Is that pretty significant Iyo ? Why wouldn't this planet have a force nexus ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why wouldn't this planet have a force nexus ?

So Maul was also amped when he fought Ahsoka and Kanan right?

It’s funny how you’ve never mentioned or been interested in Nexus’s before. And now you’re quick to assume there’s one amping Luke.

Force nexus' in Canon don't work the same way as Legends anyway, it seems.

And even if they were, I’m not sure it would amp his powers when he is controlling the force light years away. Consider Yoda only communing with the Rebels crew while they are at the Jedi Temple or Sidious and Dooku attacking Yoda with sorcery only when he travels to Moraband.