Endless vs Marvel Abstracts

Originally posted by operator616
Which includes all past history, yes, i agree.

Thus my point is proven. We apply it by default. Anyway did you see my scans regarding beyonders, debasers, gardeners, etc...?

They were never mentioned to be subatomic so that's an assumption on your part.

And so is the beyond realm.

was just curious, regarding this https://imgur.com/a/K6UcsFL

Are these Al Ewing stories....?
If so...he was already called on the carpet for interchanging omniverse and multiverse...since Marvel long ago established the omniverse is absolutely everything...so there is no "beyond" "everything".

Originally posted by operator616
Which includes all past history, yes, i agree.

Unless its retconned.

Thus my point is proven. We apply it by default. Anyway did you see my scans regarding beyonders, debasers, gardeners, etc...?

Ultimates retconned it as nothing is outside Eternity.

They were never mentioned to be subatomic so that's an assumption on your part.

They are universes within atoms, unless atoms are something foreign for you, that's just stupid.

And so is the beyond realm.

Not anymore after FF 319 retcon.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
was just curious, regarding this https://imgur.com/a/K6UcsFL

Are these Al Ewing stories....?
If so...he was already called on the carpet for interchanging omniverse and multiverse...since Marvel long ago established the omniverse is absolutely everything...so there is no "beyond" "everything".

Yes, Captain America & Mighty Avengers #6-7 written by Ewing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Unless its retconned.

Ultimates retconned it as nothing is outside Eternity.

They are universes within atoms, unless atoms are something foreign for you, that's just stupid.

Not anymore after FF 319 retcon.

Which nothing has, fortunately.

Yeah, always you and your retcons.

So no proof they were atomic universes? Ok then, moving on.

Which was then expanded upon in FF annual #24 and #26 where it returned to its full glory.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Seriously, shut up troll. The map of multiverse straight up shows source wall sorrounding the multiverse.

https://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/Multiversity_Map_2400_53ee6b4c22d9a9.11031355.jpg

Fifth dimension is beyond the multiverse entirely, yet here's this guy.

facepalm

EXCEPT We know that all of Perpetua's stuff was sealed off from the Void by the Source Wall. Issue 22, the Forger says the Source Wall closes "us off from the Greater Omniverse," then he proceeds to teleport himself to the Dark Multiverse. This means the Dark Multiverse is bound by the Source Wall. The 6th dimension is also within the Source Wall, not outside it, because it is where the Monitors reform when they die, and if they could just easily travel to and from the greater omniverse, then the Source Wall wouldn't have closed them off from it. The House of Heroes is within the Multiverse, and within the 5th dimension, making it still inside the Source Wall.

and finally, this fourth wall scan has been retconned at this point, since we have a multiverse map and that's not really how it works.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/8/80518/6897121-0007872617-HLPSv.jpg

"The DCU itself exists inside bubbles in the 4th world"

WHICH is not actually true given the Multiversity map. blame retcons eh LOL?
the planets are not inside the 4th world in any way. The 4th world is also no longer a contiguous place.

literally, Have you seen the multiverse map? New Genesis and Apokalips in their true forms aren't near each other vibrationally. Sure you can see them together when you get brought to one, but given everything in DC is about vibrations, vibrationall there are other realms "between" New Genesis and Apokalips, and "between" Apokalips and Earths.

Originally posted by operator616
Yes, Captain America & Mighty Avengers #6-7 written by Ewing.

Which nothing has, fortunately.

Read Ultimates.

Yeah, always you and your retcons.

So no proof they were atomic universes? Ok then, moving on.

Don't be AlbertoJohnAvil, ok? Atomic universes are sub atomic by default.

Which was then expanded upon in FF annual #24 and #26 where it returned to its full glory.

Scans?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
EXCEPT We know that all of Perpetua's stuff was sealed off from the Void by the Source Wall. Issue 22, the Forger says the Source Wall closes "us off from the Greater Omniverse," then he proceeds to teleport himself to the Dark Multiverse. This means the Dark Multiverse is bound by the Source Wall. The 6th dimension is also within the Source Wall, not outside it, because it is where the Monitors reform when they die, and if they could just easily travel to and from the greater omniverse, then the Source Wall wouldn't have closed them off from it. The House of Heroes is within the Multiverse, and within the 5th dimension, making it still inside the Source Wall.

and finally, this fourth wall scan has been retconned at this point, since we have a multiverse map and that's not really how it works.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/8/80518/6897121-0007872617-HLPSv.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
"The DCU itself exists inside bubbles in the 4th world"

WHICH is not actually true given the Multiversity map. blame retcons eh LOL?
the planets are not inside the 4th world in any way. The 4th world is also no longer a contiguous place.

literally, Have you seen the multiverse map? New Genesis and Apokalips in their true forms aren't near each other vibrationally. Sure you can see them together when you get brought to one, but given everything in DC is about vibrations, vibrationall there are other realms "between" New Genesis and Apokalips, and "between" Apokalips and Earths.

facepalm

Originally posted by abhilegend
This is just utter stupidity at this point.

facepalm

concession accepted

Originally posted by abhilegend
Read Ultimates.

Don't be AlbertoJohnAvil, ok? Atomic universes are sub atomic by default.

Scans?

Already have.

Whatever

You posted the FF annual 24 scans yourself where eternity dwindles into insignificance. The FF annual 26 had Kubik speculating on the origins of the celestials and mentioning their origins may lie in the beyond realm beyond the multiverse. https://imgur.com/a/axkvBAN
It's also under the same writer so it's very much plausible that that Eternity is a multiverse. Obviously you'll disagree so i won't bother commenting on the issue further.

People still question whether eternity can be viewed as a multiverse? Sigh.....

As regards dc—does anyone think that the source wall is NOT the boundary of the multiverse....? Ie—everything within the source wall is part of the multiverse. Anything beyond the source wall is from beyond the multiverse? I thought this was self evident. Am I wrong?

Originally posted by operator616
Already have.

Whatever

You posted the FF annual 24 scans yourself where eternity dwindles into insignificance. The FF annual 26 had Kubik speculating on the origins of the celestials and mentioning their origins may lie in the beyond realm beyond the multiverse. https://imgur.com/a/axkvBAN
It's also under the same writer so it's very much plausible that that Eternity is a multiverse. Obviously you'll disagree so i won't bother commenting on the issue further.

I know it's frustrating, but continue to post the truth with proof brother,

that's our only weapon vs intransigence.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
AND Actually, the Fifth Dimension is situated within proximity to the Bleed, so it is not "outside" the Multiverse, but part of it. try again

The Bleed = imagination = 5D energy:

"Imagination is the blood of the multiverse, the energy that flows between the realms."

However, the 5th dimension itself resides OUTSIDE the multiverse:

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
the 6th dimension is still inside the Source Wall.

The 6th dimension is obviously outside the multiverse as well. Perpetua created the multiversal superstructure from within the 6th dimension, and was literally holding the entire thing in the palm of her hand.

how can the 6th be outside when it was called both the penthouse of the multiverse and the control center of the multiverse...? and where was that 5th dimension scan from? it seems from mxy's retelling that he was implying the 5 dimension was simply the one beyond time when he was describing the structure of the multiverse. those 2 scans appear to contradict each other imo. legit question: is it not your understanding that the source wall was a boundary put in place to surround the multiverse? if that's the case, based on what you showed, the 5th dimension would have to pass freely THROUGH the source wall to extend beyond the multiverse. 😕

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
concession accepted

Originally posted by Galan007
Wrong.

The Bleed = imagination = 5D energy:

"Imagination is the blood of the multiverse, the energy that flows between the realms."

However, the 5th dimension itself resides OUTSIDE the multiverse:

Wrong.

The 6th dimension is obviously outside the multiverse as well. Perpetua created the multiversal superstructure from within the 6th dimension, and was literally holding the entire thing in the palm of her hand.

Yeah, but IT'S ALL within the Source Wall, so it just depends on what you call the Multiverse.

Originally posted by operator616
Already have.

Do it again, what's outside multiverse?

Whatever

😂

You posted the FF annual 24 scans yourself where eternity dwindles into insignificance. The FF annual 26 had Kubik speculating on the origins of the celestials and mentioning their origins may lie in the beyond realm beyond the multiverse. https://imgur.com/a/axkvBAN
It's also under the same writer so it's very much plausible that that Eternity is a multiverse. Obviously you'll disagree so i won't bother commenting on the issue further.

So you're turning into master, confusing universe with multiverse after all.

Originally posted by leonidas
People still question whether eternity can be viewed as a multiverse? Sigh.....

As regards dc—does anyone think that the source wall is NOT the boundary of the multiverse....? Ie—everything within the source wall is part of the multiverse. Anything beyond the source wall is from beyond the multiverse? I thought this was self evident. Am I wrong?

What do you mean? Now, there's a distinct universal Eternity and a multiversal Eternity composed of individual Eternity. If you want to show Eternity as a multiverse, it must be noted in the comic.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yeah, but IT'S ALL within the Source Wall, so it just depends on what you call the Multiverse.

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

lol wait are people seriously denying's Eternity multiversal?

Eternity is not the embodiment of just time. He has been called the embodiment of "Time", the Universe, and the Multiverse for Decades. He is all of time/space across the Universe, and every Universe in the Multiverse. This is statemented many times, long before the New Avengers story with the Ivory Kings or the Ultimates comic.

Eternity Infinty stated to be All realities.

Eternity stated to be Every Universe and also the Multiverse

Once the Universe was destroyed and Eternity referred to it as just 1 aspect of his infinite self

it stated plainly here, 5th paragraph down that Eternity is the essence of the Multiverse. And this Cpt Marvel comic is from over 15 years ago

Again, Eternity stated to be everything on every level of creation in the cosmos. This is from 2010.

even in recent ultimates comic, Eternity's reffered as "The Multiverse"

Any denial, or head canon/suppostion after this is blatant trolling, period

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
lol wait are people seriously denying's Eternity multiversal?

Eternity is not the embodiment of just time. He has been called the embodiment of "Time", the Universe, and the Multiverse for Decades. He is all of time/space across the Universe, and every Universe in the Multiverse. This is statemented many times, long before the New Avengers story with the Ivory Kings or the Ultimates comic.

Eternity Infinty stated to be All realities.

Eternity stated to be Every Universe and also the Multiverse

Once the Universe was destroyed and Eternity referred to it as just 1 aspect of his infinite self

it stated plainly here, 5th paragraph down that Eternity is the essence of the Multiverse. And this Cpt Marvel comic is from over 15 years ago

Again, Eternity stated to be everything on every level of creation in the cosmos. This is from 2010.

even in recent ultimates comic, Eternity's reffered as "The Multiverse"

Any denial, or head canon/suppostion after this is blatant trolling, period

Originally posted by abhilegend
😂

What do you mean? Now, there's a distinct universal Eternity and a multiversal Eternity composed of individual Eternity. If you want to show Eternity as a multiverse, it must be noted in the comic.