Endless vs Marvel Abstracts

I don't know what's funny about what I said.

@galan YES it says that BUT t that story arc also has the statement that everything that was part of Perpetua's realm (6th dimension and downwards) is sealed in by the source wall WHICH YOU ARE blatantly ignoring

So sure the 5th dimension isn't on the map multiverse, but it's still contained within the source wall and thus can still be said to be within the multiverse.

And it depends on what you mean by multiverse. Because multiverse is just a collection of universes, so it can apply to anything. Mxy clearly means one thing, but he was being controlled by the Forger at that point, so it's not like he would necessarily be telling the truth at all points (he straight up lied about the door, for instance)

Everything is funny about what you said.

lol of course it is. When you don't have an argument your last resort is laughing eh 😆 😆 😆 😆

Originally posted by Galan007
Wrong.

The Bleed = imagination = 5D energy:

"Imagination is the blood of the multiverse, the energy that flows between the realms."

However, the 5th dimension itself resides OUTSIDE the multiverse:

Wrong.

The 6th dimension is obviously outside the multiverse as well. Perpetua created the multiversal superstructure from within the 6th dimension, and was literally holding the entire thing in the palm of her hand.

Clear as day. 👆

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
lol of course it is. When you don't have an argument your last resort is laughing eh 😆 😆 😆 😆

Are you retarded or something?

Originally posted by Galan007

Perpetua was literally holding the entire thing in the palm of her hand.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I can see how that's just a "visualization" of the entire thing. 😛 😂

Just like there was no thought experiment over there either.

Yall deduced that being a thing based on not even direct speculative analysis.

That said,
I don't really care,
and I'm not serious here,
and I'm clearly phukin around wit Galan.

Now mind your phukin business and hop of the cyber lady killa son.

Do something, smoke tetas or eat crack,

but you know, there's things to do out there for cats like yourself.

Yes, there was. With a cat and everything.

Actually, no there wasn't. Only via dialogue was the "cat thought experiment" noted.

Also, you must've missed the point to the "cat in the box" crap

which is to see if the cat is alive or dead.

Alive or dead the cat is there in the box when you peek inside.

Just like there was an Omniverse in the box which I saw with my eyes:

'But I was lying. See? There's an Omniverse in the box."

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Now unless you can prove that colorful glowing mass is an illusion

or some cheesy molecular light display ...

... don't come at me with this nonsense ever again.

Owen was making the point that the previous omniverse became the new omniverse. He even destroyed the box on the next page.

Ewing later even showed Eternity dying and reborn while first firmament chained him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ewing actually showed Eternity changing from seventh to eighth multiverse.

So which multiverse did Owen put into the box?

So where did the omniverse came from?

I know bad ass Owen, easily crushing entire Omniverses.

Oh I see.

You're under the impression
that these Multiverses are morphing from one form to another?
That this is how they die and are reborn? 😂

No silly.

Owen said he had the previous Omniverse, while the New one was already up and running.
Owen even followed on the Iterations concept by saying the lives passed on to the new one.

The old shell (previous omniverse) is meaningless.

Which is why Owen destroyed it without a care.

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So again, don't come at me with this malarkey once more.

I know bad ass Owen, easily crushing entire Omniverses.

😂

Originally posted by Mr Master
[b]I know bad ass Owen, easily crushing entire Omniverses.

Oh I see.

You're under the impression
that these Multiverses are morphing from one form to another?
That this is how they die and are reborn? 😂

No silly.

Owen said he had the previous Omniverse, while the New one was already up and running.
Owen even followed on the Iterations concept by saying the lives passed on to the new one.

The old shell (previous omniverse) is meaningless.

Which is why Owen destroyed it without a care.

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So again, don't come at me with this malarkey once more. [/B]

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/3/3c/Ultimates_%28Multiverse%29_from_Ultimates_2_Vol_1_100_001.jpg

Not to mention, the rest of the multiverses are shown in Ultimates 100. So which omniverse did Owen destroyed?

At this point, you're simply trolling. Its amusing.

Exactly. They die, out with the old, and are reborn as something new, in with the new.

Ulti 100, yes, so uhm, then they never died anyway? 😂 This shit is too funny.

I'd love for that to be the case. You're in a catch 22: I'm right one way or another lol.

"trolling?" ... says the guy who was banned Twice for literally trolling. 😬

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Bring it son, yeeeaah baby, wut?

I'm starting to enter your realm b*tch, the realm of phuk it, and phuk that.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Exactly. They die, out with the old, and are reborn as something new, in with the new.

Ulti 100, yes, so uhm, then they never died anyway? 😂 This shit is too funny.

I'd love for that to be the case. You're in a catch 22: I'm right one way or another lol.

[b]"trolling?" ... says the guy who was banned Twice for literally trolling. 😬

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Bring it son, yeeeaah baby, wut?

I'm starting to enter your realm b*tch, the realm of phuk it, and phuk that. [/B]

Answer it please. I want a good laugh.

😆 ... you never get comics.

Or, you selectively loose site of what a comic is when it conveniences you.

You're so easy. 😂

Do you do this high? ... ahhh Abhi is boss!

Originally posted by Mr Master
😆 ... you never get comics.

Or, you selectively loose site of what a comic is when it conveniences you.

You're so easy. 😂

Do you do this high? ... ahhh Abhi is boss!

this entire page:

https://imgur.com/a/6AgHMV4

is literally mxy explaining the CURRENT--as per snyder/morrison--multiversal structure of dc:

"BEHOLD THE MULITIVERSE....IT IS EVERYTHING EXISTING AT ONCE"

the 6th dimension is "the very tip top" of everything. it exists BEYOND IMAGINATION, but it stills exists within the multiverse as defined by the source wall. it's also where the wf and his brothers go to reform when they die. how could they reform OUTSIDE the source wall...? 😑

it also clearly states the 6th dimension is BEYOND imagination, meaning the 5th dimension is below the 6th. again, imo, the clear implication is that all these dimensions reside withIN the multiverse as defined by the wall.

https://imgur.com/a/6AgHMV4

the source wall was the shell holding the multiverse in place.

that scan that says the 5th dimension is outside the multiverse is similar to the macroverse business phil was discussing with op (and i agree with phil, btw): new info supersedes older info. in light of synder's work on metal and the jl (all based on exploration and further development of morrison's map) that scan has either been retconned or it needs to be re-interpreted.

if the 5th dimension IS outside the multiverse (ie--passes beyond/through the source wall), that means it exists in the greater omniverse, (or in the overvoid, but i think the overvoid needs to now be backed up to surround the OMNIVERSE, which....leads to some cartographical problems in itself....)

that makes no sense in the context of the story imo, nor does it fit with mxy's OWN description. i do NOT, however, think that scan needs to be 'retconned'. it can still be right--the orrery of worlds is certainly a multiverse in itself. the 5th dimension exists beyond the orrery, so it can easily and correctly be said to exist outside the multiverse--just not outside the...greater mutliverse, or source wall, which, again, makes no sense.

there is also a scan in one of the league books that talks about the how if you travel far enough in any universe/dimension/world you will eventually reach the source wall. maybe someone with a better memory remembers where it was and can post it. 😮

in any event, based on the story and the the description on morrison's map (here is the limit to even thought. beyond lies only monitor mind, the source and the unknowable) i don't think it can be anymore clear that the source wall=the boundary of all dimensions/universes within the redefined dc multiverse. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
this entire page:

https://imgur.com/a/6AgHMV4

is literally mxy explaining the CURRENT--as per snyder/morrison--multiversal structure of dc:

[b]"BEHOLD THE MULITIVERSE....IT IS EVERYTHING EXISTING AT ONCE"

the 6th dimension is "the very tip top" of everything. it exists BEYOND IMAGINATION, but it stills exists within the multiverse as defined by the source wall. it's also where the wf and his brothers go to reform when they die. how could they reform OUTSIDE the source wall...? 😑

it also clearly states the 6th dimension is BEYOND imagination, meaning the 5th dimension is below the 6th. again, imo, the clear implication is that all these dimensions reside withIN the multiverse as defined by the wall.

https://imgur.com/a/6AgHMV4

the source wall was the shell holding the multiverse in place.

that scan that says the 5th dimension is outside the multiverse is similar to the macroverse business phil was discussing with op (and i agree with phil, btw): new info supersedes older info. in light of synder's work on metal and the jl (all based on exploration and further development of morrison's map) that scan has either been retconned or it needs to be re-interpreted.

if the 5th dimension IS outside the multiverse (ie--passes beyond/through the source wall), that means it exists in the greater omniverse, (or in the overvoid, but i think the overvoid needs to now be backed up to surround the OMNIVERSE, which....leads to some cartographical problems in itself....)

that makes no sense in the context of the story imo, nor does it fit with mxy's OWN description. i do NOT, however, think that scan needs to be 'retconned'. it can still be right--the orrery of worlds is certainly a multiverse in itself. the 5th dimension exists beyond the orrery, so it can easily and correctly be said to exist outside the multiverse--just not outside the...greater mutliverse, or source wall, which, again, makes no sense.

there is also a scan in one of the league books that talks about the how if you travel far enough in any universe/dimension/world you will eventually reach the source wall. maybe someone with a better memory remembers where it was and can post it. 😮

in any event, based on the story and the the description on morrison's map (here is the limit to even thought. beyond lies only monitor mind, the source and the unknowable) i don't think it can be anymore clear that the source wall=the boundary of all dimensions/universes within the redefined dc multiverse. /shrug [/B]

Perpetua even says that she created the multiverse as positive, anti matter and dark matter, 5th dimension is not created by her.

So either Source Wall is bigger than multiverse/5th dimension which is not possible as Morrison's map is referred in the arc, or you're wrong and sixth dimension is beyond the Source Wall.