Originally posted by leonidas
fair enough, but like i said, i don't think the speed steal leaves the opponent unable to think, so it wouldn't do much to x....i don't remember the wh thread you're talking about, but speed isn't something i have a problem with--forum speed and ooc usage is where i take issue with it. i don't think it's impossible flash steals speed here, but i don't think it's an auto win even if he does, unless you have something that shows people DO stop thinking, or their brains completely shut down? if you do, then speed steal would end it--i just don't see him using it very often out of the gate.
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Originally posted by ParmaniacEDIT: ****ing website revision
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the link doesn't work either. just tell me: does it support what i said....? if it doesn't i don't want to see it anyway. lol
how would he stop him? we were talking about speed steal. has he ever taken enough speed to stop someone from thinking? if that's the case he'd likely need to stop all cellular motion, which would kill whoever he used it on. chuck is behind a very powerful shield. imp it? before chuck thinks sleep?
in character, i don't really see him ending chuck before chuck ends him--at least in most cases. /shrug
He could just slow his brain down. Wally has controlled metabolisms before and, while he probably wouldn't pull a Walter [https://imgur.com/a/6unwEIE], it would still be affecting. Either way, he doesn't really need it so it's a moot point... I disagree about the shield/sleep being in any way an obstacle, but then we get back to the speed and full capacity again. Wally has as much time as he wants [literally] to hit the shield until it falls and then slap Xavier unconscious. He has zero reasons to ever let them even perceive the fight has started -- but then again, this discussion is all deja-vu, so I'll leave it at that. There's already been a thread for it.
I guess he could phase through the shield before mags could adjust but phasing isn’t always instant if it is he could ko chuck. I don’t see the imp in the first attosecond happening and Mags shield might withstand one anyway. Multiple imps? Again I don’t see it. All things are possible for flash but in character? Not sure about that. What’s his best in character option you think?
The issue of in character vs full capacity is what leads to haxx’d powers though which is why I’ve always been and will always be against it and argue instead based on what a character is most likely to do. Can flash so what you say? Of course. Based on his what he does most often would he? Not IMO. But to that you’ll argue in book is pis. Lol.
Round and round. I opt for what makes for the most interesting and comic-resembling match up.
Originally posted by ParmaniacNot necessary.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Flash need to touch him for speed steal? So if he reaches Prof X, why wouldn't he just knock him the **** out?
Originally posted by leonidasAssuming he doesn't have nigh-relative limitless time to do anything -- I think vibrating through the shield would be the easiest [or grabbing some wood and shoving it through the shield at Xavier's face har har .... .... ] -- but then again, it depends. Mags shields are very specific, and he adjusts them depending on what he wants to get through. Case in point in the Scarlet Witch & Vision series where he cloaked the shit out of himself and then made a shield that Vision couldn't phase through, Scarlet Witch couldn't get down and Karnak couldn't find a weakness. He can stop photons, or he cannot. It depends on what he needs to do, it's really weird and tricky unless we go 'he stops everything that he can stop' period [he's technically blind then but...eh].
I guess he could phase through the shield before mags could adjust but phasing isn’t always instant if it is he could ko chuck. I don’t see the imp in the first attosecond happening and Mags shield might withstand one anyway. Multiple imps? Again I don’t see it. All things are possible for flash but in character? Not sure about that. What’s his best in character option you think?
But, the thing is, Vision's phasing is different from Flash. Flash changes frequencies at will.
But the other thing is, Magneto can also change frequency his power operates at:
I'd assume that applies to his shield, too [thus why he sometimes filters one thing or others].
But the other other thing is that he has to know Flash's frequency changes to counter them [against, at this point we're assuming it's like chess, and they each get to adjust to one another, without Flash changing a thousand frequencies and KOing him before he manages to even find one of his].
tldr speed sucks and can't really be countered. but just removing speed entirely and going for the 'miscellanous' abilities like speed steal/vibrating/IMPs without any kind of speedblitz would probably make it interesting.
lol i read it. i know how you like to showcase mags.
the phasing would be interesting in a comic, but flash would shift faster than mags could adjust i'd think. but i do think it would buy time for chuck to think sleep. high level tp's have crazy thought speeds as well, something else i feel is getting overlooked here.
i know people will think i'm neutering the characters--i don't see it that way. i think the truest way to measure the character is to use them as they are most commonly portrayed. why don't i think flash would go attosecond even in this situation? 75yrs of flash comics. i don't think full capacity should supersede all that history is all. it's also why i never call pis in any matches--it's all washed out in the end.
