Originally posted by Trackz
Like I've stated there is a single exception, the Khonshu arc, in which it isn't explicable why Blade doesn't have BT. Other than that?
Lol, are these ALL the examples you could find?
Looks impressive guys, it really does.
Let's ACTUALLY take a look at what he is peddling.
2.https://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Avengers-32-spoilers-4-e1583985282181-300x190.jpg
#32, where Blade is - AS I WAS SAYING just standing around with BT, chatting.
3. https://i.redd.it/ryv7cbsz1yd41.png
The famous issue where BT decides to fight with Blade Issue#30.
4. https://i.imgur.com/3HFi1TD.png
Wait, BT isn't fighting with Blade....
5. https://64.media.tumblr.com/a99faf1639140af51c7335074281bf01/tumblr_puf5qgF0yB1w2tgilo5_1280.jpg
Issue #21 - which I said.
6. https://64.media.tumblr.com/24cb740783bbdb60fa3ba58b5a4958d5/tumblr_pwxz0pEz8E1sqep2mo2_500.png
Wait, BT isn't - I thought you were posting examples of....
7. https://i.redd.it/ryv7cbsz1yd41.png
This looks familiar....issue #30?
So 7 apparently clear cut examples from Trackz, detailing EVERY TIME apparently, that Blade fights with BT.
Since Avengers #17-42, across War of the Realsm, King in Black, etc.
And of those 7, 2 are repeated scans, 1 is Blade standing around chatting, and 2 are from the same issue where Blade is NOT fighting symbiotically with Blade lmao
Great proof. HOWEVER, he does bring up ANOTHER scan:
8. https://i.imgur.com/R9NcZf1.png
Which I missed.
Guessd that is because in the very next issue, when it comes to fight:
Blade EXPLICITLY does not bring BT into battle, lol. And shown by Trackz' own scans - Blade sent him away, he came back of his own accord.
So, 8 scans from Trackz. Really, 7 because two are repeated. 1 is Blade standing around chatting, not even in battle (I wonder why the crop??)_So we are down to 6.
Of those 6, two scans are BT FIGHTING ON HIS OWN (I never said he couldn't, btw - just that he isn't symbiotically linked to Blade like Eddie/Venom). So we are down to 4 scans.
Nice. 4 scans, over 2 years, and....what, from 3 issues? 4?
I can post 3x the amount of scans where Blade doesn't bring BT on a mission. For a character that doesn't exactly have many appearances like Wolverine.
Again, the fact that in your definition, boy-thing protecting Blade and then Blade protecting boy-thing doesn't qualify as them fighting together is warped. The fact that you ignore context to argue "look Blade doesn't bring boy-thing to hell" as if we don't see boy-thing injured by cosmic ghost rider and then not seen again for that arc is warped. If someone is disarmed during a fight and doesn't have said equipment next issue because of that, it doesn't mean the equipment is no longer standard. As I've repeatedly stated, the fact that it needs to be narratives stated or depicted why Blade doesn't have boy-thing is the opposite of evidence for your position.
And no, that isn't every example and I didnt state it as such. Its to demonstrate your consistent dishonesty because at this point that continues to be all there is to this argument. People have acknowledged that based on the number of appearances I've outlined that itd make sense if BT were standard equipment. Your ONLY argument has been to apply a bizarre, restrictive standard that apparently precludes literal fights that Blade has had with BT (e.g. Blade fighting Blaze possessing Robbie's car) or times in which Blade and BT have protected one another during a fight.
The fact that people are reading your posts and under the impression that BT has fought with Blade only twice is hilarious. You've consistently lied.
I guess I'll concede on this one, saint argument seems fair.
Boy thing does not meet loose definitions of "standard gear" in so far as there is more then ample evidence he is not readily available to blade in random situations the same manner blades swords or other vamp killing tools are, Blade actively excludes him from situations, and nor does he really fall under the same standards as the klyntar as far as a symbiotic pairing as he isn't bonded to blade in similar fashion and as such does not reside on, or in his person, except when traveling together of which again we've seen ample evidence of him not being brought to encounters. By any metric boy thing is either A) an extra person not unique to the character (i.e. megazord is unique summon for power rangers example) or b) special equipment blade specifically has to bring to an encounter or plot has to make readily available (i.e. items like specialized batsuits, the batwing, or the seismic gauntlets). As is blade and boything are a unique combo fusion similar to BM & Spectrum or Goku/Vegeta, not a symbiotic pairing like Venom/Brock. At the end of said task that required the fusion they revert back to their original states as separate entities where as those bonded to klyntar dont seperate unless forced apart
Boy thing isn't really standard equipment, it's a character.
Symbiotes wouldn't fall under equipment as they are living beings that through symbiosis create a geshalt character.
Batman is still Batman without his equipment. Equipment is the weapons and tools used consistently through the character life cycle.
Good discussion though lmao
Originally posted by DarkSaint85like I said, people making your argument are suddenly under the impression that Blade has only used BT to fight twice. Your entire position has been to consistently misrepresent the actual evidence
BT is defending ALL of them (in Avengers Mountain).People are actually just trolling me (leo, who isn't even reading your posts lol).
Everyone else is actually on my side.
But sure. Post more instances. Like I said, I can post more instances of Blade not even bringing BT to a battlefield.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I guess I'll concede on this one, saint argument seems fair.Boy thing does not meet loose definitions of "standard gear" in so far as there is more then ample evidence he is not readily available to blade in random situations the same manner blades swords or other vamp killing tools are, Blade actively excludes him from situations, and nor does he really fall under the same standards as the klyntar as far as a symbiotic pairing as he isn't bonded to blade in similar fashion and as such does not reside on, or in his person, except when traveling together of which again we've seen ample evidence of him not being brought to encounters. By any metric boy thing is either A) an extra person not unique to the character (i.e. megazord is unique summon for power rangers example) or b) special equipment blade specifically has to bring to an encounter or plot has to make readily available (i.e. items like specialized batsuits, the batwing, or the seismic gauntlets). As is blade and boything are a unique combo fusion similar to BM & Spectrum or Goku/Vegeta, not a symbiotic pairing like Venom/Brock. At the end of said task that required the fusion they revert back to their original states as separate entities where as those bonded to klyntar dont seperate unless forced apart
Boy thing isn't really standard equipment, it's a character.
Symbiotes wouldn't fall under equipment as they are living beings that through symbiosis create a geshalt character.
Batman is still Batman without his equipment. Equipment is the weapons and tools used consistently through the character life cycle.Good discussion though lmao
Your point B is actually the inverse, which is what has been misrepresented. Blade tends to be depicted with BT unless explained by the plot why he's not, rather than the inverse (plot has to explain why he has him).
I'd honestly just recommend people read boy-things appearances. He has been consistently used as and debuted as equipment via symbiotic relationship. Blade has built a relationship with him because, unlike Shadow Colonel, he doesn't chain him.
Re:Blade's vampire hunting equipment, Blade has been demonstrated with BT more than the majority of his vampire hunting equipment over the past 2 years. This is the point.
Originally posted by Trackz
Your point B is actually the inverse, which is what has been misrepresented. Blade tends to be depicted with BT unless explained by the plot why he's not, rather than the inverse (plot has to explain why he has him).
The specific definition of standard is the norm. Boy-Thing isn't the norm for Blade. A good example would be Spidey when he had his Captain Universe powers. He used it multiple times but it wasn't standard for him. Reason being is because he only had those powers for a short time despite him using those powers multiple times. Using something multiple times doesn't automatically make something standard.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The specific definition of standard is the norm. Boy-Thing isn't the norm for Blade. A good example would be Spidey when he had his Captain Universe powers. He used it multiple times but it wasn't standard for him. Reason being is because he only had those powers for a short time despite him using those powers multiple times. Using something multiple times doesn't automatically make something standard.
I agree, and so my point is if that person has something for 2 years, at that point it becomes standard. If Spiderman had captain universe powers over 2 years, and only used them against tougher foes, itd still be standard.
Originally posted by Trackz
I agree, and so my point is if that person has something for 2 years, at that point it becomes standard. If Spiderman had captain universe powers over 2 years, and only used them against tougher foes, itd still be standard.
for starters you have to actually be equipment......Boy thing is a whole ass character, nexus creature to be exact. Something being standard equipment is what you can say a character consistently uses as EQUIPMENT in a majority of storylines featured. Justice buster, Insider suit and hell bat are in case of break glass equipment not regular. Regular equipment for him would be his regular suit, batarangs, grappling hooks, and whatever shit that would get regular use like scanners, lock picks, code breakers, etc.
In blade's case his regular is his sword, his various throwing blade's his guns. Boy thing is a whole ass character, basically a side kick with a cool function.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
lol just see your edit, The symbiote is not standard equipment, venom is simply the combination of Eddie and the symbiote. Everyone knows it would be stupid to say venom without the symbiote knowing that's just Eddie Brock.
I dont understand this point, since its been stated that sentient/semi-sentient creatures do qualify as standard equipment.
But the point of my edit was characters like Blade have very variable equipment mission to mission. He doesn't have a captain America shield or Thor hammer. During any given story, youre liable to see Blade use two or three new weapons he hasn't shown consistently before. With characters like Blade we establish standard by what he has used the most consistently. The main point is that if we apply this standard, Blade doesn't have standard equipment at all.
Originally posted by Trackz
I agree, and so my point is if that person has something for 2 years, at that point it becomes standard. If Spiderman had captain universe powers over 2 years, and only used them against tougher foes, itd still be standard.
But that is NOT how the forum rules work.
Batman doesn't have the Batmobile, Batwing, Batcycle etc in a forum thread - even though he can easily summon them remotely, and has had them since, well, forever.
https://imgur.com/a/fq7zY
https://imgur.com/a/QHzZZ
Can drive autonomously:
https://imgur.com/a/qCDKD
And uses them against tougher foes:
https://imgur.com/a/PNX0N
I mean, Jeez, imagine if I tried saying the Hellbat armour was standard equipment - because Bruce had it for X years, and could summon it at any time (of course, it is broken now, but you get my point) it would be stupid of me:
https://imgur.com/a/tE3nafe
Now, onto BRB:
Skuttlebutt is a pretty sentient being:
https://i.imgur.com/GqGulSl.jpg
Yes, I can EASILY find multiple issues and comics where he fights alongside BRB - but forum rules state in a thread, unless noted, BRB DOESN'T have Skuttlebutt.
Forum rules state (which I quoted at the start of the thread):
Beta Ray Bill would not have Scuttlebutt and Batman would not have the Batmobile, unless otherwise noted in the open post.
Alberto, good points.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilyea i agree, and BT has been used as equipment in the majority of his appearances. Honestly the ghost rider story is the only time where we see boy-thing actively protects the people he bonds to. Id say the argument here is whether BT should count as standard, not whether he would qualify as equipment. If we were to make a thread with the Shadow Colonel, he would meet everyone's definition as standard.
for starters you have to actually be equipment......Boy thing is a whole ass character, nexus creature to be exact. Something being standard equipment is what you can say a character consistently uses as EQUIPMENT in a majority of storylines featured. Justice buster, Insider suit and hell bat are in case of break glass equipment not regular. Regular equipment for him would be his regular suit, batarangs, grappling hooks, and whatever shit that would get regular use like scanners, lock picks, code breakers, etc.
In blade's case his regular is his sword, his various throwing blade's his guns. Boy thing is a whole ass character, basically a side kick with a cool function.
Originally posted by Trackz
I dont understand this point, since its been stated that sentient/semi-sentient creatures do qualify as standard equipment.But the point of my edit was characters like Blade have very variable equipment mission to mission. He doesn't have a captain America shield or Thor hammer. During any given story, youre liable to see Blade use two or three new weapons he hasn't shown consistently before. With characters like Blade we establish standard by what he has used the most consistently. The main point is that if we apply this standard, Blade doesn't have standard equipment at all.
Where was it stated that they qualify?
And sure Blade has standard equipment. The clue is in the name.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But that is NOT how the forum rules work.Batman doesn't have the Batmobile, Batwing, Batcycle etc in a forum thread - even though he can easily summon them remotely, and has had them since, well, forever.
https://imgur.com/a/fq7zY
https://imgur.com/a/QHzZZCan drive autonomously:
https://imgur.com/a/qCDKDAnd uses them against tougher foes:
https://imgur.com/a/PNX0NI mean, Jeez, imagine if I tried saying the Hellbat armour was standard equipment - because Bruce had it for X years, and could summon it at any time (of course, it is broken now, but you get my point) it would be [b]stupid of me
:
https://imgur.com/a/tE3nafeNow, onto BRB:
Skuttlebutt is a pretty sentient being:
https://i.imgur.com/GqGulSl.jpgYes, I can EASILY find multiple issues and comics where he fights alongside BRB - but forum rules state in a thread, unless noted, BRB DOESN'T have Skuttlebutt.
Forum rules state (which I quoted at the start of the thread):
Alberto, good points. [/B]
Thats not what I said. Blade actively has BT more than the majority of his equipment. I didnt make any point about BT being accessible to summon, I made the point that Blade actively has BT unless there is a narrative reason shown with the exception of one arc.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85by the philo post that you co-signed
Where was it stated that they qualify?And sure Blade has standard equipment. The clue is in the name.
Blade has his nickname because he used daggers and stakes for the majority of his appearances in the 70s. He hasn't used those for combat in years, because when the movies came out he started using guns and random tech, most of which vary with no real consistency.
Originally posted by Trackz
by the philo post that you co-signedBlade has his nickname because he used daggers and stakes for the majority of his appearances in the 70s. He hasn't used those for combat in years, because when the movies came out he started using guns and random tech, most of which vary with no real consistency.
Ah.
So you agree with it?
Cool. Let's read it again:
Originally posted by Philosophía
In case of equipment, something that you can whip out without any prep being specifically done beforehand.In case of semi-sentient or sentient tools, likes Thor's Mjolnir or Surfer's board, something that you have at you at all times except very particular storylines [Unworthy Thor, for obvious reasons].
In case of actual characters, something that is intrinsically the character and used to fight at all times [like Eddie/Venom], and not something that you only use once in a while, or is a completely separate being [like Robin].
"something that you have with you AT ALL TIMES" (emphasis mine)
Remind me about the Khonshu arc, again? You keep dancing around it and hand waving it away, but the fact that we both agree he had an entire arc without it being seen (let's ignore our disagreement over the War of the Realms lol), means....
Unless of course, you are cherry picking which parts of that post you agree with?
Originally posted by Trackz
Thats not what I said. Blade actively has BT more than the majority of his equipment. I didnt make any point about BT being accessible to summon, I made the point that Blade actively has BT unless there is a narrative reason shown with the exception of one arc.
And Bats has the Batmobile. BRB almost always has Skuttlebutt.
Yet.....
