Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But OP said two characters.So I didn't assume two nebulous clouds with no form or abilities, but two actual characters with names and intelligence and physical forms etc.
Created by a writer that wants to win the lotery by making the omniscient character win. Good point.
Originally posted by LordGod
Just to be clear; this is two random physical beings who each have complete mastry over their omnipotence and omniscience.The only stip is that the omnipotent being cannot gift themselves with omniscience here.
That’s not how that works. To be Omnipotent, means you are all powerful with no equals. You are everywhere all at once, you know how everything works, you have absolutely no limit or weakness.
What you are describing is not a true Omnipotent being if they already lack Omniscient.
Originally posted by SquallX
That’s not how that works. To be Omnipotent, means you are all powerful with no equals. You are everywhere all at once, you know how everything works, you have absolutely no limit or weakness.What you are describing is not a true Omnipotent being if they already lack Omniscient.
It's a bit paradoxical, because if one were capable of truly grasping/comprehending the full breadth of their omnipotence, they would have to be omniscient as a corollary -- as mastering infinite power would require infinite knowledge... But I digress.
As the thread goes: the omnipotent guy just removes the omniscient guy's omniscience at the onset... Not that an all-knowing guy with no prep, tech, or additional powers/resources of any kind would necessarily be a 'threat' in the first place... But you know what I mean.
Originally posted by Stoic
None of the above have your knowledge. They cast spells. What is your point? Okay, so we go back to the cost. In that case Stephen is either casting spells at the expense of lives (or perhaps even souls), or living organisms, because when he's in battle, I have yet to see these physical costs that you mention. How does that work again? I mean does he wait until the cost catches up with him when he leasts expects it, or does he pay the moment that he screams by the Hoary Host's of Gingersnaps?I tell you man, I cant see it on a physical level.
Like I was saying, they use magic, so you can as well. Care to imagine what you'd be able to create with basic household items? You are omniscient. This does not mean that you wiki anything. You simply wouldn't need to.
Im busy. Gotta go.
Magic has a cost. Just knowing spells isn't enough.
That’s not how that works. To be Omnipotent, means you are all powerful with no equals. You are everywhere all at once, you know how everything works, you have absolutely no limit or weakness.What you are describing is not a true Omnipotent being if they already lack Omniscient.
That's not true. Omnipotent simply means unlimited power. Under the definition in the dictionary a monarch or Dictator is Omnipotent within their realm.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/omnipotent
Omnipresent means being everywhere at once
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/omnipresent
Omniscient men's unlimited knowledge.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/omniscient
The application of the prefix omni only means on a universal level for knowledge, as in application a monarch unlimited power or influence is within his realm, an omnipresent security system is within the building it belongs. Unlimited knowledge can't be localised in this way.
Then that's omnipotence.
Omniscience is just knowledge, nothing more. Reed knows everything there is to know about flying - but lock him in a ceilingless room with no powers, and no matter how hard he flaps his hands, he's not flying out there.
The alternative is magic, as Stoic said. But without the specific gene for i, or paying the cost etc....the omnipotent guy would just get omniscience and remove all your powers with a snap
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Knowing how to do it and actually being able to do it are two completely different things.I know how to boil water. But if i physically don't have access to a means of creating fire (or access to water, lol).....
There are quite a few that firmly believe that it is possible to make water with what is easily accessible at hand. It requires work, but it is possible to create water on an arrid planet. But, I do get what you are saying.
What I'm saying is that, with our far than less omniscient brains, we haven't a clue as to what a brain capable of instantly processing any theory, equation, or anything beyond our imagings could cook up. If knowledge is power, absolute knowledge is? Anyway, that's all that I'm saying. There may be sounds at certain pitches that could be used to teleport across the universe. Not saying that it's possible, just saying is all.
Originally posted by Stoic
There are quite a few that firmly believe that it is possible to make water with what is easily accessible at hand. It requires work, but it is possible to create water on an arrid planet. But, I do get what you are saying.What I'm saying is that, with our far than less omniscient brains, we haven't a clue as to what a brain capable of instantly processing any theory, equation, or anything beyond our imagings could cook up. If knowledge is power, absolute knowledge is? Anyway, that's all that I'm saying. There may be sounds at certain pitches that could be used to teleport across the universe. Not saying that it's possible, just saying is all.
You still need things 'to hand'. Dump you naked on that arid planet, and it doesn't matter how many chemical engineering degrees or how much real world mechanical engineering knowledge you have, you're not making water out of thin air with nothing 'to hand'.
On the other hand, someone with a water making machine can just....make water. Does he need to know how it works? No. If it breaks down, does he need knowledge on how to fix it? Also no, because he can just get another one.
Knowledge is unnecessary, relative to ability. All of us use phones and the internet without needing to know how it works, just that it does.