Originally posted by Stoic
You know every frequency that there is to know, every tactic, technique, science, chemical, spell, weakness, strength, every word, everything, and beyond.That in itself, is omnipotence. This would likely be a stalemate.
Ok.
One guy is naked, and knows every martial art in existence. How to use every weapon ever made. Knows..... frequencies. But he's also a cripple and is 98 years old. Also knows all the weaknesses of his opponent.
The other guy is a fit healthy 25 year old, and has a gun. Not the smartest tool in the shed, though.
My bet is on the 25 year old.
Not sure what knowing frequencies does, though. You're giving powers where there are none, when all the omniscient guy has is knowledge, not sci fi powers.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ok.One guy is naked, and knows every martial art in existence. How to use every weapon ever made. Knows..... frequencies. But he's also a cripple and is 98 years old. Also knows all the weaknesses of his opponent.
The other guy is a fit healthy 25 year old, and has a gun. Not the smartest tool in the shed, though.
My bet is on the 25 year old.
Not sure what knowing frequencies does, though. You're giving powers where there are none, when all the omniscient guy has is knowledge, not sci fi powers.
Citing the frequency of the sodium D-lines up to 20 decimal places might not be the way, though. :/
That's how I saw it - if the cripple knew something that would play on the kid's mind or knew which buttons to push.
Meanwhile, all the kid has to do is pull the trigger. So there's a chance for the cripple.
Then scale it all the way up. Instead of a gun, the kid can do anything he wants to do - reverse time, put a vacuum around the cripple, turn his tongue into cotton candy, change the frequency of his voice to be outside the limits of human hearing, go back in time so the cripple doesn't speak the same language, whatever.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then that's omnipotence.Omniscience is just knowledge, nothing more. Reed knows everything there is to know about flying - but lock him in a ceilingless room with no powers, and no matter how hard he flaps his hands, he's not flying out there.
The alternative is magic, as Stoic said. But without the specific gene for i, or paying the cost etc....the omnipotent guy would just get omniscience and remove all your powers with a snap
The 4 issue Phantom Stranger miniseries from 1987 is a perfect example of how omniscience in a world where magic exists transcends actual power. Stranger is stripped of his power but not his knowledge of magic. Even with only his knowledge he could work lower level spells
Gradually using them he acquired enough power to face demons then Eclipso.
Constantine defeats demons and immortals galore with nothing more than their names, or knowing the rules they are bound by. He made the triumvirate of hell heal his lung cancer because their rules dictated they had to fight for every soul they had the right to that died. He made the presence heal his soul because the presence is bound to the rule of free choice for mortals and mercy and denying either was the only way to prevent him ruling hell.
So let's take the scenario you have. There yrnold cripple knows everything. So he knows what the outcome would ne well before it happened and either wouldn't be there or would arrange for the gun to be empty. Or he didn't need to because he already had protection. Because he is ALL KNOWING he knows where every body is buried by every low life for 1000s of miles and more. He contacted 50 told them where a few of their bodies were buried and said that he had prepared evidence to go to their enemies or the police should he die. He had each of them send a dozen armed men to be his constant security protection force. The 25yr old with the gun aimed at the 98 yr is suddenly looking at 600 gun barrels pointed at him the moment he levels his gun at the 98 yr old
Originally posted by beatboks
The 4 issue Phantom Stranger miniseries from 1987 is a perfect example of how omniscience in a world where magic exists transcends actual power. Stranger is stripped of his power but not his knowledge of magic. Even with only his knowledge he could work lower level spellsGradually using them he acquired enough power to face demons then Eclipso.
Constantine defeats demons and immortals galore with nothing more than their names, or knowing the rules they are bound by. He made the triumvirate of hell heal his lung cancer because their rules dictated they had to fight for every soul they had the right to that died. He made the presence heal his soul because the presence is bound to the rule of free choice for mortals and mercy and denying either was the only way to prevent him ruling hell.
So let's take the scenario you have. There yrnold cripple knows everything. So he knows what the outcome would ne well before it happened and either wouldn't be there or would arrange for the gun to be empty. Or he didn't need to because he already had protection. Because he is ALL KNOWING he knows where every body is buried by every low life for 1000s of miles and more. He contacted 50 told them where a few of their bodies were buried and said that he had prepared evidence to go to their enemies or the police should he die. He had each of them send a dozen armed men to be his constant security protection force. The 25yr old with the gun aimed at the 98 yr is suddenly looking at 600 gun barrels pointed at him the moment he levels his gun at the 98 yr old
Perfect example indeed
1. There is a cost to magic.
2. You need homo magi genes (certainly in DC). Just waving your hands and reading a spell won't hack it.
Read back a few pages, I've addressed this already.
So now that you're adding stuff, the guy with true power....is simply bulletproof.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Perfect example indeed1. There is a cost to magic.
2. You need homo magi genes (certainly in DC). Just waving your hands and reading a spell won't hack it.
Read back a few pages, I've addressed this already.
So now that you're adding stuff, the guy with true power....is simply bulletproof.
I could add stuff all day, and still not even begin to scratch the surface of what an omniscient mind could do. The only thing that's truly new here is me stating that this would become a stalemate. Absolute power vs absolute power.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Perfect example indeed1. There is a cost to magic.
2. You need homo magi genes (certainly in DC). Just waving your hands and reading a spell won't hack it.
Read back a few pages, I've addressed this already.
So now that you're adding stuff, the guy with true power....is simply bulletproof.
And yet in post crisis Stranger wasn't home magi and didn't have a cost in this issue and many more. Because in this instance he wasn't using magic he was manipulating the mana around him.
In all four of his origins he was able to do magic because of his Immortal life allowing him to learn it.
If the guys bulletproof the Omniscient knows that and knows his weakness. Those guards are armed with said weakness or have fed him a poison prior. Or they have someone (or many someones) he loves at gunpoint ready to kill when he draws a gun.
The Omniscient knows in adavance he will be be threat and knows what he can and can't do to get at the one with power. There's no play where the guy with all knowledge doesn't have the upper hand.
i dont even get what the problem is here. it's a guy who just KNOWS everything vs a guy who can literally DO anything.
match starts and the omnipotent guy turns the omniscient guy into a crayon. or bfrs him. or turns him into a braindead gimp. or just doesnt allow any scenarios where he can be beaten. battle over.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
i dont even get what the problem is here. it's a guy who just KNOWS everything vs a guy who can literally DO anything.match starts and the omnipotent guy turns the omniscient guy into a crayon. or bfrs him. or turns him into a braindead gimp. or just doesnt allow any scenarios where he can be beaten. battle over.
/end thread.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
i dont even get what the problem is here. it's a guy who just KNOWS everything vs a guy who can literally DO anything.match starts and the omnipotent guy turns the omniscient guy into a crayon. or bfrs him. or turns him into a braindead gimp. or just doesnt allow any scenarios where he can be beaten. battle over.
Not going to happen. They'd cancel each other out.