Originally posted by cdtm
Wait wait wait... so all this time I thought he was just another white guy from Poland, and he's actually black?Ok, hin turning on me as hard as he did makes sense now. I mean, his casual misogyny fooled me into a edge lord mentality too, but lines were crossed..
Not what happened. 😆 Read through Smurph's first post on the previous page then my response.
On paper.
Count Nefaria vs Hercules.
Strength edge to Nefaria, but not by much. Both are listed as Class 100, and have been stated to have near inexhaustible strength.
Nefaria with no formal combat training to speak of iand is in fact a neophyte, or inexperienced combatant based upon canon. This can be proven if one were to actually read the books that he has been in. He easily dominates opponents that he is faster, stronger, and have no defense against his long range abilities.
His official combat score is a 3 out of 7.
If we removed his speed to that of Hercules, and his long range offensive abilities, we must also deduct from his overall combat score, giving him an overall score of between 1-1.5.
Hercules has a combat score of 4 out 7.
Hercules has the strength to physically harm Nefaria, not to mention instruct him in the art of both boxing and wrestling. He is no Shang Chi, but most would agree, that if we were to strip both of these characters down to human level stats and place them in an official combat ring, or octagon, that Hercules would dominate him within the 1st round, and destroy him by round 2.
Thor Blood Oath issue 3-4, as I mentioned was actually a win for Hercules over Thor who only managed to escape a submission by cheating when he called down lightning to stop Hercules from choking him out. This shows his combat effectiveness against another Class 100 opponent that actually has a long history of combat experience.
In combat, it is a rare thing to see an inexperienced fighter defeat someone with much more experience than themselves.
Originally posted by Stoic
On paper.
Count Nefaria vs Hercules.
Strength edge to Nefaria, but not by much. Both are listed as Class 100, and have been stated to have near inexhaustible strength.Nefaria with no formal combat training to speak of iand is in fact a neophyte, or inexperienced combatant based upon canon. This can be proven if one were to actually read the books that he has been in. He easily dominates opponents that he is faster, stronger, and have no defense against his long range abilities.
His official combat score is a 3 out of 7.
If we removed his speed to that of Hercules, and his long range offensive abilities, we must also deduct from his overall combat score, giving him an overall score of between 1-1.5.
Hercules has a combat score of 4 out 7.
Hercules has the strength to physically harm Nefaria, not to mention instruct him in the art of both boxing and wrestling. He is no Shang Chi, but most would agree, that if we were to strip both of these characters down to human level stats and place them in an official combat ring, or octagon, that Hercules would dominate him within the 1st round, and destroy him by round 2.
Thor Blood Oath issue 3-4, as I mentioned was actually a win for Hercules over Thor who only managed to escape a submission by cheating when he called down lightning to stop Hercules from choking him out. This shows his combat effectiveness against another Class 100 opponent that actually has a long history of combat experience.
In combat, it is a rare thing to see an inexperienced fighter defeat someone with much more experience than themselves.
Where does it say his combat score is 3?
Worse than that, "combat rating" and "official combat score" are not terms from the handbooks. Stoic keeps inserting those words for the term "fighting skill" despite the many posts in this thread correcting him. So by the 19th page of the thread, it's gotta be intentional.
Why intentionally change "fighting skill" to "combat rating"? I guess because the latter sounds broader, so he can argue that it encompasses skill and speed and energy projection etc.
Handbooks themselves are weak proof, but this fanfiction rating system does not come from the handbooks.
Sentry is the same. Bob has no actual combat training, or had none prior to being an Avenger. Delta, neither you, Stilt, or Smurph actually know how to fight, and that’s just fine, because 95% of people that you see on the street don’t either.
Let me spell it out to you in terms that you may understand.
On paper.
Combatant A is 6ft 2inches and weighs 240lbs they can bench 325lbs but they have no prior knowledge of combat outside of what they’ve seen in movies, and combat events that they have watched.
Combatant B is 6ft 5inches and weighs 220lbs they can bench 250lbs but they’ve been fighting for 10 yrs as a professional athlete. They are ranked 50th in the world.
They weaker man is going to win if he fights the stronger one. He has reach, he has been trained to use angles in order to exploit his opponents as all fighters are taught from day one, he can box, and wrestle on the professional level. Unless some freak of nature occurs, he’s going to knock the stronger shorter man out that has little in the way of knowledge concerning actual combat.
We know that Hercules can fight faster opponents than himself as he snatched the Sentry out of the air during a blitz attempt. We know that he is not averse to using low blows, and cheating tactics to gain the upper hand. We also know that Thor can fight as well, as we’ve seen him outpace the Hulk in combat, and the Hulk has a history of actual combat. Hercules defeated Thor in H2H combat, and only escaped by cheating.
Hercules is so fast, that he can run 100 plus meters in under 2.3 seconds according to Amadeus Cho, so he is exactly a snail in comparison to a normal human, which should come as no surprise because of his leaping ability alone.
Count Nefaria as I said, has lost his considerable speed advantage, which is a weapon, and his laser vision another weapon that he can no longer rely upon. This means that we deduct from his total combat rating because he has in fact taken a huge nerf.
Delta is a dishonest liar that has an ego problem and can not admit when they are wrong. I challenge you Delta. If you are a woman, I have a very good female friend that is a combat instructor. If you’d like to meet, I can set it a match for you against her, and we can test the theory of whether or not an untrained combatant can defeat a trained one. She’s only 5ft 2inches tall, and only weighs 130lbs. We can film the results and post them right here on KMC. Let me know.
We will in all fairness deduct from Count Nefaria’s overall combat rating, because if not, no one had better ever argue speed as a factor in battle. You know the shit that you’ve spewed repeatedly in just about every Superman, or Flash battle? Well yeah, we’re going to go there.
Originally posted by Smurph
Worse than that, "combat rating" and "official combat score" are not terms from the handbooks. Stoic keeps inserting those words for the term "fighting skill" despite the many posts in this thread correcting him. So by the 19th page of the thread, it's gotta be intentional.Why intentionally change "fighting skill" to "combat rating"? I guess because the latter sounds broader, so he can argue that it encompasses skill and speed and energy projection etc.
Handbooks themselves are weak proof, but this fanfiction rating system does not come from the handbooks.
Oh, you didn’t understand what I was stating. I’m using Combat rating as interchangeable with Combat score. For those who were unable to understand.
Originally posted by StoicThis post?
In the post that Delta presented. Search for Nefarias stats.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Lol No.And to prove what Smurph said about Hercules--
Where on the page does it say "combat rating", "combat score", "official combat _____"
Originally posted by Delta1938
Stoic, I don't think YOU know how to fight and are just making it up as you go along to try and sound like some authority.That or your combat experience was slap fights on the short bus.
What matters is that Hercules knows how to fight, and no judge in the world would give an unknowledgeable fighter the edge over a seasoned vet. Not in any reality at least. Hercules can hurt him, and that in of itself is a huge thing.
The Count would be stumbling around in the dark after several hits to the face. Hercules can fight.
Except the part where he is and you ignore what debunks your argument about Thor's initial attacks.
Same happened with Wonder Man. If anything I think Wonder Nan did better initially against Nefaria than Thor did in the initial attacks.
But you don't have an answer for that just like you have to make up speed is a part of their FIGHTING SKILL ranking despite speed and FIGHTING SKILL are separate stats given.
Originally posted by Stoic
What matters is that Hercules knows how to fight, and no judge in the world would give an unknowledgeable fighter the edge over a seasoned vet. Not in any reality at least. Hercules can hurt him, and that in of itself is a huge thing.The Count would be stumbling around in the dark, after several hits to the face. Hercules can fight.
Good thing for Nefaria this isn't going to the judges.
Originally posted by Stoic
Fighting Skills 3? What am I missing? This will be a H2H competition. Nefaria in fact isn’t much stronger than Herc if at all.
👆 maybe you're finally caught up.
Skill is a separate stat from speed or energy projection. Skill is entirely about h2h skill. Nothing about the thread stips makes that 3 into a 1.5