In Count Nefaria’s case, his powers are so great, that it’s the epitome of cheat code. On panel, what skill did he actually show? What was his reaction to being hit by Thor? The words that were captioned, weren’t the words of a knowledgeable fighter. His very abilities are weapons. Take them away, and his effectiveness plummets.
Originally posted by Stoic
In Count Nefaria’s case, his powers are so great, that it’s the epitome of cheat code. On panel, what skill did he actually show? What was his reaction to being hit by Thor? The words that were captioned, weren’t the words of a knowledgeable fighter. His very abilities are weapons. Take them away, and his effectiveness plummets.
So Nefaria's powers are more of a cheat code than Sentry? Interesting.
By the by. Handbooks literally state he's had some training, and is more skilled than normal.
Originally posted by Stoic
That’s really your only defense. You aren’t able to show me any on panel proof, or historical proof to back Count Nefaria non existent fighting knowledge.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Literally states he's had some training.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is what a 3 means.Nothing to do with his physical stats. He's hardly a neophyte, unless you don't know what neophyte means, I guess.
Nefaria is a 3. According to handbooks, that means he's better trained than a normal person.
Originally posted by Stoic
Show me proof of his knowledge of combat. Sentry has no former combat training either, just great power.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Literally states he's had some training.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is what a 3 means.Nothing to do with his physical stats. He's hardly a neophyte, unless you don't know what neophyte means, I guess.
Nefaria is a 3. According to handbooks, that means he's better trained than a normal person.
Interesting that Sentry is a 2, then. Nefaria is more powerful than Sentry?
Yes now you’re getting it. Count Nefaria has poor combat skills without the powers. With them he is boosted to 3 against opponents that are slower, weaker, and less powerful than he is.
Or are you saying that a neophyte fighter with all of the powers that Nefaria has is as dangerous as someone that has none of those powers?
What are you saying?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Interesting that Sentry is a 2, then. Nefaria is more powerful than Sentry?
Bob is also crippled, and has varying levels of power, and degrees to his powers, and how powerful he can become. So yes there are times that Nefaria could be more powerful than Bob, and times that he simply isn’t. Irrelevant to the OP, but that’s how you move.
Originally posted by Stoic
Yes now you’re getting it. Count Nefaria has poor combat skills without the powers. With them he is boosted to 3 against opponents that are slower, weaker, and less powerful than he is.Or are you saying that a neophyte fighter with all of the powers that Nefaria has is as dangerous as someone that has none of those powers?
What are you saying?
Wtf. Are you actually legally retarded, lol.
I am saying that regardless of powers, or not, Nefaria has had some combat training, as his rating states. You could amp him with the Starbrand and the Phoenix Force and the Gem of Cytorrak, but unless you increase his knowledge of MA, his rating would be the same as if he were depowered and crippled.
It isn't a measure of effectiveness in combat. Ross in an old man's body isn't more combat effective than the frigging Sentry. He just knows how to fight. Give him his Rulk powers, and that rating will still stay 4.
Originally posted by Stoic
Show me proof of his knowledge of combat. Sentry has no former combat training either, just great power.
Originally posted by Stoic
Olympians don't build up fatigue poisons like mortals do. It's the reason why Hercules can fight for years without tiring.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Post such a feat, instead of writing fan fiction.
Originally posted by Stoic
Thor and Hercules have themselves fought for years without tiring it's as if you need to prove that humans breathe air.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
For years without a pause?Book and issue number.
Originally posted by Delta1938
If this is the case you should be able to easily show it and it's because of their immortality only.
Originally posted by Stoic
I'm at work.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Then I'll be eagerly awaiting when you're able to post them.
Originally posted by Stoic
Powers of a Demigod
Like most Olympian gods, Hercules is immune to aging and conventional disease. He is virtually tireless, as his body produces no fatigue poisons. Hercules has superhuman strength (Class 100), greater than most other Olympian gods.
Originally posted by Stoic
I googled that. Pretty simple right? It's also a canon fact for the character.
Originally posted by Delta1938
No no, comics, not copy/paste a bio.
Originally posted by Stoic
I'm not doing anything for you. Accept it or don't, but your ignorance isn't my problem to deal with.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Stoic, I'm perfectly fine waiting if you just can't get the scans now. But it's looking like you don't actually have anything from the comics and are complaining when you're called out to use better evidence. Is the Handbooks all you have, or do you actually have examples from the comics?
Originally posted by Stoic
Didn't I tell you to get your hat and sit in the corner?
So basically what you're saying Stoic is you don't have to show evidence from the comics, but we have to provide it for you even when we show you evidence from the very source you were screaming until your lungs were sore from, and you start making up bullshit that his fighting skill ranking is from his powers when nothing supports that.
And whether you're just arguing that his skill rating is because of his speed out of desperation and think it's working, or you actually believe this retardation, DS was being overly generous suggesting you have an intelligence ranking as high a 1.
Hercules runs at 97 mph, or within that range, he’s definitely no slower than that. Count Nefaria can run at speeds approaching the speed of sound within an atmosphere. There is a huge amount of speed that he is losing, has lost his flight ability, and can no longer fire off energy blasts from his eyes. Has no record of being instructed in combat, against someone capable of hurting him, and is a former champion in boxing, and wrestling at the Olympic level.
Only an idiot would argue that the slightly stronger fighter, with nearly no combat knowledge would win.
22 pages of I won’t accept being wrong, so I’ll attempt to move the goal posts, hurl insults, cheer lead, and use irrelevant points to escape admitting to be wrong.
Herc drops him within the first 10 seconds with a knee to his nutz capable of breaking Hoover dam, while fouling him with knees to the face, an additional punch to the nutz, and a pummeling that leaves both eyes closed shut. Based upon the way that Hercules fights on panel.
Originally posted by Stoicdurpalm durpalm
Yes now you’re getting it. Count Nefaria has poor combat skills without the powers. With them he is boosted to 3 against opponents that are slower, weaker, and less powerful than he is.Or are you saying that a neophyte fighter with all of the powers that Nefaria has is as dangerous as someone that has none of those powers?
What are you saying?
Originally posted by Delta1938
So basically what you're saying Stoic is you don't have to show evidence from the comics, but we have to provide it for you even when we show you evidence from the very source you were screaming until your lungs were sore from, and you start making up bullshit that his fighting skill ranking is from his powers when nothing supports that.And whether you're just arguing that his skill rating is because of his speed out of desperation and think it's working, or you actually believe this retardation, DS was being overly generous suggesting you have an intelligence ranking as high a 1.
So basically that is what I explained just above. I’ve been explaining that Hercules would school Count Nefaria. All you have is that Count Nefaria is slightly stronger.
Originally posted by Stoicdurpalm durpalm durpalm
Hercules runs at 97 mph, or within that range, he’s definitely no slower than that. Count Nefaria can run at speeds approaching the speed of sound within an atmosphere. There is a huge amount of speed that he is losing, has lost his flight ability, and can no longer fire off energy blasts from his eyes. Has no record of being instructed in combat, against someone capable of hurting him, and is a former champion in boxing, and wrestling at the Olympic level.Only an idiot would argue that the slightly stronger fighter, with nearly no combat knowledge would win.
22 pages of I won’t accept being wrong, so I’ll attempt to move the goal posts, hurl insults, cheer lead, and use irrelevant points to escape admitting to be wrong.
Herc drops him within the first 10 seconds with a knee to his nutz capable of breaking Hoover dam, while fouling him with knees to the face, an additional punch to the nutz, and a pummeling that leaves both eyes closed shut. Based upon the way that Hercules fights on panel.