Count Nefaria Vs Hercules, speed equalised, no heat vision

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
OK, maybe I should go slower.

What does this mean to you?

A separate question, what does the scan say for a rating of 3?

Simple enough questions.

Still not answering my question though. I wonder why you are dodging it.

What does the scan say for a 3? What are the words? I keep asking you this, but you keep ignoring my question. Fine, you answered one question - what it means to you - with a long torrent of BS and nonsensical word diarrhea, but you haven't answered what the actual handbooks say a 3 actually means.

Flight that is only as fast as Hercules then? Equal speed remember? If he can catch Quicksilver, sidestep a Sentry blitz, I have no doubt that he’d still beat the Count out of Nefaria. I just figured that the OP was going for simple H2H. No energy powers.

Originally posted by Stoic
Flight that is only as fast as Hercules then? Equal speed remember? If he can catch Quicksilver, sidestep a Sentry blitz, I have no doubt that he’d still beat the Count out of Nefaria. I just figured that the OP was going for simple H2H. No energy powers.

That just shows you can't read, as OP didn't say anything about flight.

But again, why Dodge the question? What does thr scan say for 3?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Still not answering my question though. I wonder why you are dodging it.

What does the scan say for a 3? What are the words? I keep asking you this, but you keep ignoring my question. Fine, you answered one question - what it means to you - with a long torrent of BS and nonsensical word diarrhea, but you haven't answered what the actual handbooks say a 3 actually means.

In his case he was placed at 3, because they weren’t going to ignore how good he is while using all of his powers. Count Nefaria has the combat skill of 1 if you removed his powers. You seem to be dodging my questions. Wonder why?

Originally posted by Stoic
And that is where we disagree. If a combatant can hurt their opponent they can win.

Let’s get back to good old Count Nefaria.

Count Nefaria has a combat score of 3, which is what he ranks in at in battle while using all of his abilities. Take note of the While using all abilities.

Rated 3, no more no less while under optimal conditions, and again while no nerfs are placed upon him.

If we took away 3 of those abilities, which are speed, flight, and laser vision, would this diminish his combat performance against a slower, -slightly weaker opponent that can not defend against his eye blasts?

Without the Flash’s speed, is he as dangerous? If we were to reduce the Flash’s speed to Hercules level, would he be as dangerous?

If we reduced Superman’s speed to Hercules level, took away his eye blasts, freeze breath, and his ability to fly, would he, or would he not be in for a world of trouble if he fought himself without losing the use of those abilities?

In this case, Count Nefaria has had his speed reduced to that of Hercules, he has lost his laser vision, and his ability to fly. Does that reduce his combat performance if we were to place him in a battle against another Count Nefaria that has his full speed, flight, and eye lasers?

We know that Hercules can hurt him, has a considerable skill edge in terms of actual technical fighting knowledge, and is not averse to using fouls. Most people would automatically believe that Hercules would win. If Hercules could not hurt Count Nefaria, I’d never pick Hercules to win. My response is that it would be a good fight, but Hercules would eventually lose do to eventually being tagged by a guy that he did not have the power to hurt.

The strength gap isn’t that great in this case though. Why? Because we know that Hercules can actually hurt him.

Originally posted by Stoic
In his case he was placed at 3, because they weren’t going to ignore how good he is while using all of his powers. Count Nefaria has the combat skill of 1 if you removed his powers. You seem to be dodging my questions. Wonder why?

No, that's not my question.

What does the scan posted have next to the rating for 3?

Why can’t you find one citing of any form of H2H training that he took? He never did that’s why. It does not exist.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No, that's not my question.

What does the scan posted have next to the rating for 3?

Some training that he never took. Find me one citing that states or shows that he took any form of training.

Originally posted by Stoic
Why can’t you find one citing of any form of H2H training that he took? He never did that’s why. It does not exist.

Again for like the 8th time lmao, what words does the scan have next to the number 3?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Again for like the 8th time lmao, what words does the scan have next to the number 3?

Are you dumb? I said some training. He has none. He never trained in any form of physical self defense. Those are his powers that give him a 3 rating.

Originally posted by Stoic
And that is where we disagree. If a combatant can hurt their opponent they can win.

Let’s get back to good old Count Nefaria.

Count Nefaria has a combat score of 3, which is what he ranks in at in battle while using all of his abilities. Take note of the While using all abilities.

Rated 3, no more no less while under optimal conditions, and again while no nerfs are placed upon him.

If we took away 3 of those abilities, which are speed, flight, and laser vision, would this diminish his combat performance against a slower, -slightly weaker opponent that can not defend against his eye blasts?

Without the Flash’s speed, is he as dangerous? If we were to reduce the Flash’s speed to Hercules level, would he be as dangerous?

If we reduced Superman’s speed to Hercules level, took away his eye blasts, freeze breath, and his ability to fly, would he, or would he not be in for a world of trouble if he fought himself without losing the use of those abilities?

In this case, Count Nefaria has had his speed reduced to that of Hercules, he has lost his laser vision, and his ability to fly. Does that reduce his combat performance if we were to place him in a battle against another Count Nefaria that has his full speed, flight, and eye lasers?

We know that Hercules can hurt him, has a considerable skill edge in terms of actual technical fighting knowledge, and is not averse to using fouls. Most people would automatically believe that Hercules would win. If Hercules could not hurt Count Nefaria, I’d never pick Hercules to win. My response is that it would be a good fight, but Hercules would eventually lose do to eventually being tagged by a guy that he did not have the power to hurt.

The strength gap isn’t that great in this case though. Why? Because we know that Hercules can actually hurt him.

Originally posted by Stoic
Some training that he never took. Find me one citing that states or shows that he took any form of training.

FINALLY.

OK, so the handbooks state he had some training. Nice. I'm glad we have the handbooks over your interpretations.

Not such a neophyte, if he's better than normal. The rating doesn't make mention of his powers, I guess it's your injections again like OP and flight.

You just had a preconceived notion, and can't put it down because your little ego won't allow you to say you were wrong. Handbooks make no mention that powers are taken into account, OP doesn't negate flight. If you want to, make your own thread, but I don't think this one is for you buddy. The stips aren't what you think.

Originally posted by Stoic
Are you dumb? I said some training. He has none. He never trained in any form of physical self defense. Those are his powers that give him a 3 rating.

Where does the scan say his powers give him a 3? Where are powers even mentioned in that scan? Please point it out.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
FINALLY.

OK, so the handbooks state he had some training. Nice. I'm glad we have the handbooks over your interpretations.

Not such a neophyte, if he's better than normal. The rating doesn't make mention of his powers, I guess it's your injections again like OP and flight.

You just had a preconceived notion, and can't put it down because your little ego won't allow you to say you were wrong. Handbooks make no mention that powers are taken into account, OP doesn't negate flight. If you want to, make your own thread, but I don't think this one is for you buddy. The stips aren't what you think.

Read my other posts. I said some training well before your theatrics. On panel and in his bio, there is no mention of any form of physical combat training.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Where does the scan say his powers give him a 3? Where are powers even mentioned in that scan? Please point it out.

Answer my questions, or stop asking them.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
FINALLY.

OK, so the handbooks state he had some training. Nice. I'm glad we have the handbooks over your interpretations.

Not such a neophyte, if he's better than normal. The rating doesn't make mention of his powers, I guess it's your injections again like OP and flight.

You just had a preconceived notion, and can't put it down because your little ego won't allow you to say you were wrong. Handbooks make no mention that powers are taken into account, OP doesn't negate flight. If you want to, make your own thread, but I don't think this one is for you buddy. The stips aren't what you think.

Read the books that he’s in. He has no experience as a fighter. You’re a liar. Still won’t answer my questions either.

Originally posted by Stoic
And that is where we disagree. If a combatant can hurt their opponent they can win.

Let’s get back to good old Count Nefaria.

Count Nefaria has a combat score of 3, which is what he ranks in at in battle while using all of his abilities. Take note of the While using all abilities.

Rated 3, no more no less while under optimal conditions, and again while no nerfs are placed upon him.

If we took away 3 of those abilities, which are speed, flight, and laser vision, would this diminish his combat performance against a slower, -slightly weaker opponent that can not defend against his eye blasts?

Without the Flash’s speed, is he as dangerous? If we were to reduce the Flash’s speed to Hercules level, would he be as dangerous?

If we reduced Superman’s speed to Hercules level, took away his eye blasts, freeze breath, and his ability to fly, would he, or would he not be in for a world of trouble if he fought himself without losing the use of those abilities?

In this case, Count Nefaria has had his speed reduced to that of Hercules, he has lost his laser vision, and his ability to fly. Does that reduce his combat performance if we were to place him in a battle against another Count Nefaria that has his full speed, flight, and eye lasers?

We know that Hercules can hurt him, has a considerable skill edge in terms of actual technical fighting knowledge, and is not averse to using fouls. Most people would automatically believe that Hercules would win. If Hercules could not hurt Count Nefaria, I’d never pick Hercules to win. My response is that it would be a good fight, but Hercules would eventually lose do to eventually being tagged by a guy that he did not have the power to hurt.

The strength gap isn’t that great in this case though. Why? Because we know that Hercules can actually hurt him.

Dark Saint, I find it very comical for someone that would filthy themselves up lying about fictional characters in order to avoid being wrong telling me that I won’t admit when I’m wrong because of my ego. Keep your failings to yourself roach.

I mean, I didn't bring handbooks up in the first place.

You did.

I didn't give him a 3.

The official handbooks did.

I didn't define a 3 as having some training (so better than normal).

The official handbook did.

Where did I lie?

Stay salty.

You talking to me? Answer the questions. Count Nefaria states on panel that he never had any formal training. Answer the questions.