Who in marvel is powerful enough to beat COIE Anti Monitor

Originally posted by ODG
Anybody arguing that "Marvel Earth + extradimensional Asgard = a fully functioning multiverse" is retarded.

But there's a category of debaters that rather rely on shorthands than elaborate explanations. "It was called a multiverse. Are you disagreeing with the text?" They have no interest in the explanations. To them it's just a word that ranks higher than other words.

Originally posted by ODG
All true. 👆

But the genesis of this particular conversation was limited to the pages of Crisis on Infinite Earths. To be frank, what happened was utterly retconned (but not) but kinda was (even though attempts have been made to conglomerate everything). The continuity of DC is incredibly ripe for selectivity but that is a convewsation for another time.

In the end, if you want to argue Supergirl was multiversal+++ when she physically beat the crap out of Anti-Monitor, that's your cup of tea.

you not liking what more recent scans have to say on the subject doesn't make them any less valid. canon is canon, "retcons" or otherwise.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
the original series contradicted itself. some most, including the Anti-Monitor himself characters said a thousand universes. other one/two characters said thousands of universes. other characters somebody???? said infinite universes. they used the word "zillion" ffs. these so-called "retcons" you're referring to just set the story straight. according to loads of much more recent information, there was always infinite universes that made up the precrisis multiverse. end of story.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
you not liking what more recent scans have to say on the subject doesn't make them any less valid. canon is canon, "retcons" or otherwise.

After all... by this rationale, Supergirl physically pounded a multiversal Anti-Monitor like a b1tch. By all means, extol multiversal+++ Supergirl. I am very interested in hearing more of your advocacy over this.

Originally posted by ODG

is that louie ck?

That's Michael Jackson.

Originally posted by ODG
After all... by this rationale, Supergirl physically pounded a multiversal Anti-Monitor like a b1tch. By all means, extol multiversal+++ Supergirl. I am very interested in hearing more of your advocacy over this.

Originally posted by zopzop
Was it ever explained how she did this? I mean I realize she's a Bronze age Kryptonian but still. They weren't as ridiculously powerful as their Gold/Silver age selves.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Just to jump in on point #3: would it not just be an extension of DC's fetish for Kryptonians?

It never did(as far as I'm aware). Supergirl just simply punched Anti-Monitor to nearly death

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
It never did(as far as I'm aware). Supergirl just simply punched Anti-Monitor to nearly death

Originally posted by ODG
Set the story straight? Is it a personal foible/fault that I give more credit to the pages of the story itself (the primary source) then other subsequent comics (secondary sources) or handbooks (tertiary sources)? Hmph.

Originally posted by ODG
After all... by this rationale, Supergirl physically pounded a multiversal Anti-Monitor like a b1tch. By all means, extol multiversal+++ Supergirl. I am very interested in hearing more of your advocacy over this.

i never mentioned supergirl, and have no dog in that race. just clarifying that the precrisis multiverse did indeed contain infinite universes.

Originally posted by zopzop
And unless I'm misremembering, she would have killed/KOed him if she wasn't distracted (I think AM himself admitted this).

And in the fight. Supergirl was pummeling AM. Until she turned her back to talk to Doctor Light, AM then had a chance to fight back
https://ibb.co/7SkJ24H
https://ibb.co/fdK19dT

Though, Light did state that AM was killing Supergirl. So it's possible that AM could have killed Supergirl by itself(albeit, probably very close to death, if not died in that battle)

Originally posted by zopzop
Was it ever explained how she did this? I mean I realize she's a Bronze age Kryptonian but still. They weren't as ridiculously powerful as their Gold/Silver age selves.

I mean Superman can drop World Forger. Superboy Prime can fight Darkest Knight. Kryptonians can do some crazy things when they're going all out, and a true explanation is rarely given. DC writers just love to stroke them.

Superman and Batman are the two greatest properties in DC. Their sacred cash cows - so they get wanked. And by extension, the Super and Batfamilies get some of this wank too.

Batman routinely fights and has showings waaaay out of his street tier, human level weight class.

Superman does the same, but his weight class being herald means.....World Forgers and Imperiexes.

If you want an in-universe explanation? Chalk it up to Mxy and Batmite being their guardian angels, if you must have an explanation.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
point is- it doesn't really matter what you personally gathered from the series itself. a f*ck ton of comics released since then have directly stated that the precrisis multiverse always contained infinite universes. there is no way around this. it isn't even debatable.

https://i.postimg.cc/vZGLPXhp/Critical-Thinking-Fallacies-Straw-Man-Fallacy.jpg

i never mentioned supergirl, and have no dog in that race. just clarifying that the precrisis multiverse did indeed contain infinite universes.

If it is so incontrovertible, then just declare it and be proud of your stance. Why the reticence? Don't be a b1tch. Embrace your standard and their results. Or don't.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Superman and Batman are the two greatest properties in DC. Their sacred cash cows - so they get wanked. And by extension, the Super and Batfamilies get some of this wank too.

Batman routinely fights and has showings waaaay out of his street tier, human level weight class.

Superman does the same, but his weight class being herald means.....World Forgers and Imperiexes.

If you want an in-universe explanation? Chalk it up to Mxy and Batmite being their guardian angels, if you must have an explanation.

It becomes even more unacceptable when you try to extend it to other characters like Supergirl or Batgirl.

Originally posted by LordGod
To be fair, have we ever been given an explanation for why Superman and Superboy Prime can do what they do?

I mean Superman can drop World Forger. Superboy Prime can fight Darkest Knight. Kryptonians can do some crazy things when they're going all out, and a true explanation is rarely given. DC writers just love to stroke them.

We're talking about Supergirl here. And there's no need to deconstruct the World Forger feat again.

Recently he got wrecked by the Terrifics so probably some mid tier Marvel team should be able to do it.

^ I mean... are we supposed to know how powerful Gold Beetle or Omega-Bam-Man are?

Originally posted by ODG
Then according to you, it isn't even debatable to you that Supergirl was multiversal+++ for beating the sh1t out of COIE Anti-Monitor, right?

Originally posted by ODG

Because True Multiversal Form Darkseid being unable to kill Superboy in an extended 6v1 fight assisted by Doomsday, Neron, *Nekron*, Eclipso, Ares should have no bearing on his power level, after all...

Originally posted by ODG
Revisiting this list:

1) Great Darkness a.k.a. Great Evil Beast, Pralaya, Mother Night
2) Presence a.k.a. the Source, the Voice, the Overvoid, Father Time
3) Endless a.k.a. Death + Destiny + Dream + Destruction + Desire + Despair + Delirium
4) Life Equation/Miracle Machine
5) Anti-Life Equation
6) The Empty Hand/The Gentry
7) Cosmic Raptor
8) The Hands/Perpetua/Ultra-Monitor
9) Mxy/Batmite
10) Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman
11) Dr. Manhattan/Darkest Knight a.k.a Batman Who Laughs (final form)
12) Anti-Monitor a.k.a. Mobius/World Forger a.k.a. Alpheus/Monitor a.k.a Mar Novu
13) Barbatos
14) Hecate/Upside Down Man
15) Cosmic Armor Superman
16) Mandrakk
17) Basanos/Elaine Belloc
18) Lucifer/Michael
19) The Entity a.k.a. White Light of Creation/*Nekron*/Umbrax
20) Power of the Guardians a.k.a. Ion (conglomerated)
21) The Speed Force/The Still Force
22) Quantum Field
23) Worlogog
24) Volthoom a.k.a the First Lantern
25) Parallax/Predator/Ophidion/Butcher/Adara/Proselyte
26) The Green/The Red/The Clear/The Grey/The Black a.k.a the Rot

You guys think it's more or less accurate than it's previous iteration? Notably, I removed the Godwave because its placement kinda makes no sense in the current DC continuity. The Godwave supposedly gave rise to Speedforce, Quantum Field, even the Power of the Guardians. But per Highfather, it started it's spread 40k years ago per its own storyline. That just doesn't fly now.

You guys think the following entities deserve a spot on the list: Ultimator, Time Trapper, the Phantom Lantern, Anti-Life Entity, Fuginauts, Omega Titans, Krona, Imperiex, Phantom Stranger, Kismet, Lords of Chaos/Order?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But according to you, Superboy survived an extensive beating that assisted by someone who is above Speed Force(Nekron)

Whereas, multiversal true form Darkseid doesn't. Got stepped on by the Empty Hand and then struggled against Superboy while assisted.

And none of this has anything to do with Supergirl and Anti-Monitor. Figures you're too terrified to discuss Supergirl and Anti-Monitor. How unsightful.

Originally posted by ODG
It's called jobbing, schmuck. And, no, multiversal true form Darkseid doesn't get that excuse given that Nekron has an established history of power and station.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So Anti Monitor was beaten by Supergirl isn't jobbing, but Nekron is? Despite he also has an established history of power and station(you actually listed him relatively high in your list, higher than Nekron actually)
See, I'm talking with you AM here

Did Nekron get beat up by Supergirl? Or pummeled by Qward Thunderers? Or had to absorb a sun for his final fight? Or got punched out by Superman-2?