Well here is the thought process:
1. Does BA have superspeed, yes/no?
2. If no, let's end this now. But he does, as we saw in the film. So does he get hit by slower beings, y/n?
3. If no, let's end this now. But he does, as we saw in the film. Many times, in fact. So does he WANT to be hit, y/n?
4. If no, then it's PIS. If it's yes, then we're saying BA either loves the pain, or doesn't take his opponents seriously.
Ultimately, despite having superspeed, BA gets tagged by slower opponents. Either he wants to get hit, or it's PIS. That's all.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well here is the thought process:1. Does BA have superspeed, yes/no?
2. If no, let's end this now. But he does, as we saw in the film. So does he get hit by slower beings, y/n?
3. If no, let's end this now. But he does, as we saw in the film. Many times, in fact. So does he WANT to be hit, y/n?
4. If no, then it's PIS. If it's yes, then we're saying BA either loves the pain, or doesn't take his opponents seriously.Ultimately, despite having superspeed, BA gets tagged by slower opponents. Either he wants to get hit, or it's PIS. That's all.
Arguing that they’ll never gets touched is lazy, unless you’re posting at CBR maybe.
Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Because a character HAS superspeed doesn’t make them a super speedster. It’s not their only power and what they specialize in.Arguing that they’ll never gets touched is lazy, unless you’re posting at CBR maybe.
But then the argument becomes that they want to get hit. If you or I raise a hand to someone, they'll flinch away.
An average guy would do it.
A kid would do it.
A dog would do it.
Heck, even a dumb fly/mosquito would attempt to evade you hitting it.
If BA gets tagged, either it's by someone faster than him, or he willingly sees the hit coming, feels the pressure of the fist touching his skin and increasing, and let's it.....or it's done so the movie can show real stakes and show an exciting fight.
^^^Or it’s just characters fighting and increasing the intensity at which they fight as the fight progresses and they realize they need to step it up.
These debates are all about “winning” for posters.
If they think speed will get them the win that’s what they’re gonna go w. come hell or high water.
These debates are also about opinion.
Some posters will do so once, maybe two or three times and move on.
Some restate that opinion over and over, sometimes quite obnoxiously, for multiple pages.
It is what it is.
Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Or it’s just characters fighting and increasing the intensity at which they fight as the fight progresses and they realize they need to step it up.These debates are all about “winning” for posters.
If they think speed will get them the win that’s what they’re gonna go w. come hell or high water.
These debates are also about opinion.
Some posters will do so once, maybe two or three times and move on.
Some restate that opinion over and over, sometimes quite obnoxiously, for multiple pages.
It is what it is.
Then that leads to two trains of thought.
1. If you allow that a character needs to realise they need to step it up a gear, then the character with speed would realise and act on this realisation quicker than the character with less speed. If action A doesn't work, Fast Character will realise they need to change tack and try Action B.
2. This assumes that avoiding hits and lashing out are conscious actions. If someone suddenly holds a lit match to the back of my head, I'm going to react subconsciously and flinch away from it at my involuntary speed - no decisions made, no time lag there.
With BA, we're assuming he has superspeed, both travel and reflex - but when he sees Surfer doing something in (relative to him) slow motion, he will leisurely stand there until it hits him. If it doesn't affect him, he's ok
If it DOES affect him, he won't......engage his superspeed, and kick things up a notch?
Originally posted by h1a8
Now you are trolling.
Lol
Originally posted by h1a8
It was shown multiple times that BA can and has statued the battlefield.
Not when fighting superhuman beings i.e. when there is no need to exert any serious effort.
Originally posted by h1a8
There is nothing consistent about BA getting tagged and not using speed. Therefore you are lying.
Have no idea what you're saying here. Bring feats. Tell me why I shouldn't go by his on screen feats of getting tagged by Hawkman and Dr. Fate. Because as far as I can tell, they don't count because you don't like the apparent inconsistency there.
Originally posted by h1a8
So you are asking us to ignore his multiple speed feats and assume that he will not be operating in speed mode in this fight.
No, are you not capable of understanding simple arguments. I want feats of him exerting serious effort whilst operating at light speed (or however fast he was when battling human soldiers).
Originally posted by h1a8
Lol
I remember you arguing one off feats for Thor when he has shown the opposite far more consistently (99 to 1). It's easy to expose your troll double standard tactics.
Dude it's not my fault your arguments suck. There's a reason you're not convincing anyone.
Originally posted by h1a8
So I'll ask a simple question. Will BA use his speed and perceptions to try to win in this fight?
Sure. But I have no idea to the limits of his speed and perceptions.
Originally posted by Darth ThorLol. So although BA used speed on superhuman beings. You are suggesting that he will choose NOT to do this in a forum fight (i.e. BA will never use speed in a forum fight against any superhuman).
LolNot when fighting superhuman beings i.e. when there is no need to exert any serious effort.
Is this correct?
Have no idea what you're saying here. Bring feats. Tell me why I shouldn't go by his on screen feats of getting tagged by Hawkman and Dr. Fate. Because as far as I can tell, they don't count because you don't like the apparent inconsistency there.
No, are you not capable of understanding simple arguments. I want feats of him exerting serious effort whilst operating at light speed (or however fast he was when battling human soldiers).
So you are arguing that BA will choose not to exert serious effort while he is using speed, even if he knows that he has to. Lmao. Plus you are begging the question that BA has to exert most of his might in order to win without proof.
If BA just touches any of these characters traveling at great speed then they will either die or be seriously injured. You do know what kinetic energy is right? And how hard/durable BA is?
And lastly, lmao for you thinking that BA has to punch slow in order to punch harder.
Dude it's not my fault your arguments suck. There's a reason you're not convincing anyone.
Sure. But I have no idea to the limits of his speed and perceptions.
Originally posted by FrothByte
In other words, you admit that there's no feats in the movie that show your scenario.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well here is the thought process:1. Does BA have superspeed, yes/no?
2. If no, let's end this now. But he does, as we saw in the film. So does he get hit by slower beings, y/n?
3. If no, let's end this now. But he does, as we saw in the film. Many times, in fact. So does he WANT to be hit, y/n?
4. If no, then it's PIS. If it's yes, then we're saying BA either loves the pain, or doesn't take his opponents seriously.Ultimately, despite having superspeed, BA gets tagged by slower opponents. Either he wants to get hit, or it's PIS. That's all.
That's like saying that because Muhammad Ali has reflexes so fast that he's able to dodge blows from lesser boxers, we can therefore conclude that he'll be able to always dodge blows even from high-end boxers.
That's dumb. Even when other boxers aren't as fast as him, they'll still eventually tag him provided they're skilled enough and fight with enough intensity.
In a fight, you don't need to be as fast as your opponent to hit them. You just need to be fast enough, coupled with good timing and technique.
Originally posted by h1a8He has shown speed many times. That is my scenario.
So will BA fight with speed in this fight or not? Simple question. Then we can go from there.
Unfortunately for you, he's never shown superspeed to such a degree that he was immune to other superhumans tagging him multiple times.
So, is he fighting superhumans in this match? Simple question. Then we can go from there.
Originally posted by FrothByte
That's like saying that because Muhammad Ali has reflexes so fast that he's able to dodge blows from lesser boxers, we can therefore conclude that he'll be able to always dodge blows even from high-end boxers.That's dumb. Even when other boxers aren't as fast as him, they'll still eventually tag him provided they're skilled enough and fight with enough intensity.
In a fight, you don't need to be as fast as your opponent to hit them. You just need to be fast enough, coupled with good timing and technique.
Because they're all on the same level, relatively - they're all human level in speed. Sure, Ali is faster, but he's still human in speed. There are levels to this, anyway.
The original question was, is Surfer on BAs level in terms of speed? If yes, what scene is this based on?
You're arguing that he's on... Hawkman's level of speed, or Fate's. But that's using WWE or exhibition boxing matches (i.e. scripted fights) as evidence for a real fight.
Surfer had no physical contact fights so nobody knows. He has powers though that are so vast and versatile that physical combat shouldn't even be in the equation for him.
His speed of flying is so great you would think he has superhuman reflexes and reactions, but thats only assumption. He did allow Torch to chase him for a little bit before putting the kabosh on him, and then in the next instance he is flying into space within seconds, so there's that.
I still think Surfer is way above BA, but who knows. Everybody has an opinion.
Originally posted by tkitnaWe use feats to prove what someone can do, but not speculation. Without durability feats then Surfer is as durable as he shown (nothing more). Same goes with speed and reaction feats.
Surfer had no physical contact fights so nobody knows. He has powers though that are so vast and versatile that physical combat shouldn't even be in the equation for him.His speed of flying is so great you would think he has superhuman reflexes and reactions, but thats only assumption. He did allow Torch to chase him for a little bit before putting the kabosh on him, and then in the next instance he is flying into space within seconds, so there's that.
I still think Surfer is way above BA, but who knows. Everybody has an opinion.