Originally posted by Galan007
In short: How fast you move within the time-bubble doesn't seem to matter. As Jay explained, the bubble itself(sliding ahead of the main timeline) is what makes Zoom appear fast from everyone else's perspective -- but if you're fast enough to get inside the time-bubble with Zoom, you can essentially do the same thing.And again, to achieve that level of speed in the first place, Wally 'only' needed to absorb [some of] the speed of 3 lesser speedsters(ie. Bart+Jay+Jesse), which was just enough of an amp for him to break into Zoom's bubble:
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Zoom: "You made it into MY world..."
*Note that Wally's personal speed, even while amped to previously unheard of levels, still didn't allow him to operate within the time-bubble like you're implying an unamped Barry could do in this thread. Why? Because the SF and Zoom's time-bubble just aren't compatible/don't stack that way.
And remember: Dr. Flobo would have a nigh-infinite supply of Wally-level speedsters to absorb speed from in this thread. Hence my previous statement...
I really can't break this down any further, tbh. I get what you're trying to say, but it just... Doesn't work.
Just read everything you posted, and I believe you're mistaken here.
First, answer this question so I understand you correctly:
Assume everyone is wearing a watch.
Do you believe that Barry having Zoom's ability to slow actual time (where his watch ticks faster than everyone else's) while still operating at superspeed in that slowed time (while Zoom can only operate at human speed in that slowed time) isn't true because it took multiple speedsters' speed to amp Wally in order to match Zoom? If so, then
Wally's time was never dilated after the amp, meaning he was never inside Zoom's time bubble where their watches would tick at the same rate. Instead, Wally simply became faster to match Zoom's time dilation. Time didn't slow down for Wally - he just sped up.
Think of the instance when the Fantastic Four, along with Thor and Iron Man, traveled into the future and got caught in a time dilation, appearing to move at superspeed from Gladiator's perspective. Gladiator had to speed up to match them, but his watch still ticked at a much slower rate than theirs because his time was normal.
Zoom is analogous to the Fantastic Four, while Wally is to Gladiator. Wally had to nearly triple his speed and perception to match and perceive Zoom.
Further clarification :
In the scans above, after the amp, Wally's watch would still tick at the same rate as a normal person's (one second on his watch equals one real second). However, Zoom's watch would tick at a different rate because he's time-dilated - each second on Zoom's watch would correspond to something like 1/3 of an attosecond on Wally's and everyone else's watches.
To simplify: imagine I can turn a knob on my watch to slow time down, making me appear three times faster than Wally. Now, if Wally has the same watch and turns the knob to slow time to the same rate as mine (the seconds of our watches tick at the same rate), I would move at normal human speed while Wally would still retain his powers and remain faster than me - just as he would be compared to a normal human under everyday conditions.
