Originally posted by h1a8
But it is if that was his intent.If my OP includes the stipulation, "In this thread, Superman has a magical skillset rivaling Dr. Strange," then it stands as law.
That's like you asking me to show Superman's comicbook skillset in magic when my OP reads, "In this thread, Superman has a magical skillset rivaling Dr. Strange."
Did you know Doom can do magic?
Originally posted by h1a8
But it is if that was his intent.If my OP includes the stipulation, "In this thread, Superman has a magical skillset rivaling Dr. Strange," then it stands as law.
That's like you asking me to show Superman's comicbook skillset in magic when my OP reads, "In this thread, Superman has a magical skillset rivaling Dr. Strange."
Originally posted by Galan007
Doom is Doom in this thread. Stop.
Per the forum rules, the characters go into a versus thread at their standard levels, without any additional amps, unless specified in the OP. So again, Doom is just Doom here. This is not Sorcerer Supreme Doom, or Galactus-amped Doom, or God Emperor Doom, etc.
...Didn't realize I'd have to clarify that?
*And yes, base Doom does in fact "rival" Strange as a sorcerer, so what's the issue here? 😕
Originally posted by Galan007
Per the forum rules, the characters go into a versus thread at their standard levels, without any additional amps, unless specified in the OP. So again, Doom is just Doom here. This is not Sorcerer Supreme Doom, or Galactus-amped Doom, or God Emperor Doom, etc....Didn't realize I'd have to clarify that?
*And yes, base Doom does in fact "rival" Strange as a sorcerer, so what's the issue here? 😕
This is all Galan's fault.
By using the flowery words 'He ... has a magical skillset rivaling Doctor Strange' poor h1 thought that you were just adding powers willy-nilly to Dr Flobo, and rather than having to actually prove his words, thought he could just rely on that and not have to provide scans.
Poor h1. Stupid in his attempt at intelligence.
Originally posted by Galan007I think your response is a bit late. Initially, I assumed this was Sorcerer Supreme Doom, but I was corrected. After rereading the OP, I took it to mean that Doom was amped to be equal to base Strange in magical skillset. You're now addressing the mistake about assuming this was Sorcerer Supreme Doom, but that has already been corrected and accepted a while ago, so clarifying it wasn't necessary.
Per the forum rules, the characters go into a versus thread at their standard levels, without any additional amps, unless specified in the OP. So again, Doom is just Doom here. This is not Sorcerer Supreme Doom, or Galactus-amped Doom, or God Emperor Doom, etc....Didn't realize I'd have to clarify that?
*And yes, base Doom does in fact "rival" Strange as a sorcerer, so what's the issue here? 😕
With that said,
I don't believe Doom rivals base Doctor Strange (not Sorcerer Supreme ) in magical skillset, but I could be wrong.
I genuinely thought you were amplifying Doom's magical skillset/versatility to match Strange's level. If that wasn't your intent, the wording came across as misleading to me.
If base Doom truly rivals base Strange as a sorcerer, he should at least have the fundamental ability to transport himself and others to different dimensions and invoke mystical energy to restrain or bind beings. If he lacks these abilities, then I strongly disagree with the idea that his magical skillset rivals Strange's or that he is on the same level as a sorcerer. But that's just my opinion.
Originally posted by h1a8
I think your response is a bit late. Initially, I assumed this was Sorcerer Supreme Doom, but I was corrected. After rereading the OP, I took it to mean that Doom was amped to be equal to base Strange in magical skillset. You're now addressing the mistake about assuming this was Sorcerer Supreme Doom, but that has already been corrected and accepted a while ago, so clarifying it wasn't necessary.With that said,
I don't believe Doom rivals base Doctor Strange (not Sorcerer Supreme ) in magical skillset, but I could be wrong.I genuinely thought you were amplifying Doom's magical skillset/versatility to match Strange's level. If that wasn't your intent, the wording came across as misleading to me.
If base Doom truly rivals base Strange as a sorcerer, he should at least have the fundamental ability to transport himself and others to different dimensions and invoke mystical energy to restrain or bind beings. If he lacks these abilities, then I strongly disagree with the idea that his magical skillset rivals Strange's or that he is on the same level as a sorcerer. But that's just my opinion.
Is that not on you to show? Since you asserted it.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is all Galan's fault.By using the flowery words 'He ... has a magical skillset rivaling Doctor Strange' poor h1 thought that you were just adding powers willy-nilly to Dr Flobo, and rather than having to actually prove his words, thought he could just rely on that and not have to provide scans.
Poor h1. Stupid in his attempt at intelligence.
How is that flowery language if Doom doesn't possess the same magical skillset as Strange?
Why would I say CONFIDENTLY say that "Doom is equal to Strange in this thread" If I didn't believe that was Galan's intent?
That is common sense.
Notice the words, "in this thread". That assumes that he doesn't in general. I stated that from the beginning.
Stupid in my attempt at intelligence? Are you insulting/flaming me? That's so beneath you.
Originally posted by h1a8
Doom possesses spells capable of sealing entities. You must prove that the Shadow King is immune to them.Also, he can bfred.
Originally posted by h1a8
Just basic spells like binding others with mystical energy, teleporting himself and others to different dimensions, etc. - things we've seen him do countless times.
Originally posted by h1a8H1: Doom obviously has these abilities, I shouldn't have to prove them, "things we've seen him do countless times"
If base Doom truly rivals base Strange as a sorcerer, he should at least have the fundamental ability to transport himself and others to different dimensions and invoke mystical energy to restrain or bind beings. If he lacks these abilities, then I strongly disagree with the idea that his magical skillset rivals Strange's or that he is on the same level as a sorcerer. But that's just my opinion.
Also H1: whoa whoa whoa, can Doom do those things? Maybe someone should prove it for me one way or the other.
Originally posted by Smurph
H1: Doom obviously has these abilities, I shouldn't have to prove them, "things we've seen him do countless times"Also H1: whoa whoa whoa, can Doom do those things? Maybe someone should prove it for me one way or the other.
This is what I said afterwards.
Originally posted by h1a8
I thought Sorcerer Supreme was just a title.Well, if it's more than that, Strange still retains knowledge of all the spells he's ever used. He can still banish and seal entities, though they might not be as effective without full backing from those mystical gods.
Strange/Doom can banish or send others to other dimensions, bind them with mystic bands, etc
Originally posted by h1a8
Doom is equal to Strange in this thread
Fell asleep.
There's a reason I kept mentioning Strange instead of Doom - clearly, my mind was on Strange, even though I occasionally referenced Doom. DS even pointed out that Strange wasn't part of this thread, which reinforces that I was subconsciously referring to Strange for a reason.
That said, it was stated that Doom may have indeed banished beings with spells and bound spirits. And have sent and trapped enemies in Limbo, though I need to verify that. But you guys should know for certain.
I found out that Dr. Strange trained him, along with others, and that he possesses an extensive library of arcane magic books.
Originally posted by Galan007I whole-heartedly agree that any Speedforce advantage would be a relative wash. 👆
Barry and Wally are both high-level masters/users of the Speed Force, so in a general "Speed Force manipulation-off" or w/e, I think it'd be a relative wash between them.
Originally posted by Galan007Even if willpower were a component of Speedforce mastery, I haven't suggested that my amalgam would impose phuckery onto Dr. Flobo. I could make that argument given I invoked Barry Allen but I left it at what we both appear to agree with: it'd be a relative wash between them.
The difference, however, is that Dr. Flobo's mastery of the SF is further backed by the indomitable willpower/mental fortitude of Lobo+Doom, which should make him virtually immune to any SF phuckery from Barry, imo...
Originally posted by Galan007And here is the backhanded qualification. You want to turn this into a Wally vs. Barry thread? No, you don't. Twice over by your own admission.
If anything, it'd be more realistic for Flobo to muck with your amalgam's SF instead, but that's neither here nor there and an entirely different discussion.
Originally posted by Galan007As much of a Doom-fanboy as I am, nearly every single one of his defeats has been brought about due to his singular ego before eliminating his foe. That remains true across some of the most famous stories of Marvel comics. You are far better served insisting your position via Lobo's clones. Just don't pretend you could make that argument with Doom's clones/bots/simulacrum, etc.
See, you're assuming the minds of Lobo and Doom would meld in a bad way. I disagree. Personally, I think it would only bring out the best of them, strategically. Would Flobo be the worst kind of douchebag imaginable personality-wise? Absolutely. Would he still retain an immense desire to beat his opponent first and foremost? Undoubtedly. As mentioned, neither Doom or Lobo would ever knowingly prioritize defeat over victory. The 'w' itself(against his opponent) would come first; the in-fighting would come second(which makes it irrelevant here), imo.
Originally posted by Galan007I have never read any Flash comics where the unassailably abject manipulation of the Speedforce is more dependent on calculating infinite scenarios rather than their in-borne intrinsic connection to the Speedforce. So hard disagree.
That's the thing: absorbing the speed of millions/billions/infinities of clones isn't a prerequisite in order to render even the likes of Zoom a statue(nvm Barry) -- a handful will do just fine. How much tampering Flobo could do to the SF before everything crumbled is virtually unknown, but it takes a lot. Regardless, with Wally's abundance of high-level knowledge/history regarding the SF specifically + the ability to calc infinite scenarios almost instantaneously + Doom's(and Lobo's, tbh) vast strategical minds, Dr. Flobo would absolutely know how much was too much. Shouldn't be a problem.So yeah, an amped/prepped Dr. Flobo just blitzes your fossilized Fantomexwell-Lord at the onset, ftw, imo. 👆
Having said that, such arguments might be more cogent if you simply admit that Dr. Flobo requires 1 hr. prep time and their hypothetical opponents have no prep time to make this vs. thread competitive.
Originally posted by ODGHuh? That has [literally] been the argument since page #1, and I have happily admitted that multiple amalgams could most likely beat a "base" Dr. Flobo solo.
Having said that, such arguments might be more cogent if you simply admit that Dr. Flobo requires 1 hr. prep time and their hypothetical opponents have no prep time to make this vs. thread competitive.
What makes Dr. Flobo so difficult to work around are the conditions of this thread specifically(namely the lopsided prep.) That was the purpose of this thread from the beginning. 👆