Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
it's definitely easier.wwh gets everything up to the point of going world breaker. wbh is basically hotm. green scar is wwh with world breaker also on the table. and you can share feats between the hulks if it makes sense.
someone will ruin it though. 😛
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Im so excited. The mods finally did something for me. FINALLY
Originally posted by Galan007
👆 And if you want the potential for a stronger Hulk than that, just use "WBH" or "Green Scar" instead.
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Some things really do need to be spelled out in giant crayon letters for Carver.
Although saying that, maybe I am the slow one, with DoS Doomsday. Lol, logic and reasoning only gets me so far with Carv - like Superman Vs the Joker, I simply cannot figure out Carv's thinking process.
But since we're in this thread.....
Originally posted by Galan007
I actually wouldn't make that argument, as there are biological reasons that might've actually made DoS DD the weakest version of the character(namely his lack of sunlight/nourishment for tens of thousands of years.) Imagine Superman, a fellow Kryptonian, being imprisoned and buried in total darkness for that long... After he had already been 'killed' in battle. How powerful do you think he'd still be once he got out? Heh....But that's irrelevant to the Hulk ruling. Not to derail things (sorry carv), but I'd like to get that sorted first.
Surviving Calaton and the Guardian, for example, would be a feat valid for him as we saw him casually laughing at the JLAs energy output. Which we know to be pretty powerful, if we take Guy/Superman et al' s power output.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆Some things really do need to be spelled out in giant crayon letters for Carver.
Although saying that, maybe [B]I
am the slow one, with DoS Doomsday. Lol, logic and reasoning only gets me so far with Carv - like Superman Vs the Joker, I simply cannot figure out Carv's thinking process.
But since we're in this thread.....My interpretation is that if a thread says DoS Doomsday, I'm not taking, say, Doomsday in the first minute after he had dug himself out, but rather, the Doomsday that was fighting Superman evenly (i.e. pretty strong).
Surviving Calaton and the Guardian, for example, would be a feat valid for him as we saw him casually laughing at the JLAs energy output. Which we know to be pretty powerful, if we take Guy/Superman et al' s power output. [/B]
How powerful was the Doomsday that appeared before DOS vs Hunter Prey Doomsday?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85That's fair, actually. 👆
My interpretation is that if a thread says DoS Doomsday, I'm not taking, say, Doomsday in the first minute after he had dug himself out, but rather, the Doomsday that was fighting Superman evenly (i.e. pretty strong).Surviving Calaton and the Guardian, for example, would be a feat valid for him as we saw him casually laughing at the JLAs energy output. Which we know to be pretty powerful, if we take Guy/Superman et al' s power output.
I suppose there's no telling how fast solar radiation replenishes Doomsday anyway(he was becoming more powerful throughout the entirety of DoS, after all)... And given his thousands of years of forced [Kryptonian] evolution, Doomsday's ability to absorb/process solar radiation could very well be similar(or even superior) to Prime's [pre-crisis] *clap on* factor:
https://ibb.co/hR7KbR0y
mmm
...Or Superman 1M's wickedly haxx Super-Sun-regen:
https://ibb.co/zHNwQDXg
mhmm
Originally posted by ThinkererIndeed. But terms like "WWH" and "WBH" have been used ad nauseam on this forum for years. So it's best to have some kind of agreed-upon definitions (and clarification) for those terms in place, as to avoid confusion moving forward.
World War Hulk was the name of the story arc. Green Scar is the name of that version of the Hulk.
Originally posted by carver9*sigh*
One last question on the Hulk topic. We see World War Hulk, the same Hulk that fought Sentry show up in Immortal Hulk (as shown below) and was confirmed as being more powerful than Devil Hulk. How would we factor this into your rules since the same Hulk is popping up in later stories?
*Though I would add that we need to ensure the later iteration of WWH shown was in fact WWH -- not an alternate, not an illusion, not the product of mind phuckery, etc. It needs to provably be *THE* [616] WWH we're talking about(I haven't read the pertinent issues, so I'm not sure what the context is either way.) IOW, we can't have any legitimate reason to question the statements made.Originally posted by carver9
What do we do with the WWH showings after his battle against Sentry? He showed up in Indestructible Hulk and he appeared in Immortal Hulk and was referenced as being stronger than both. ODG statements make sense imo.Originally posted by Galan007
If a specific iteration of Hulk was referenced after the arc itself, then it should still be [retroactively] applicable to the version in question. Again, we'd do that for any other character.
If the context of the issues is incontrovertibly: "WWH is the strongest Hulk", then I don't see why there was an issue accepting it in the first place? Frankly, it doesn't even really change my opinion of WWH, as I've always viewed him as the most powerful standard/base version of Hulk anyway(below WBH, obvs.)
Originally posted by Galan007
That's fair, actually. 👆I suppose there's no telling how fast solar radiation replenishes Doomsday anyway(he was becoming more powerful throughout the entirety of DoS, after all)... And given his thousands of years of forced [Kryptonian] evolution, Doomsday's ability to absorb/process solar radiation could very well be similar(or even superior) to Prime's [pre-crisis] *clap on* factor:
https://ibb.co/hR7KbR0y
mmm...Or Superman 1M's wickedly haxx Super-Sun-regen:
https://ibb.co/zHNwQDXg
mhmm
Exactly.....it would make no logical sense, imo, if Bertron created a weapon that needed an extended time to recharge (how much emptier can he be after the first 10 years, lol).
So yeah, sure he was weakened at certain points in the story, but not enough IMO that him replicating his previous feats (Calaton, Guardian of Oa, Khundia, Master Mayhem) is invalid. I can get behind that👆