Originally posted by carver9At the end of Hunter/prey he was sent to the end of the time.
Why?
He was released from the perpetual teleporter in OWAW.
From Doomsdays perspective, all these events happened consecutively.
Originally posted by Juntai
At the end of Hunter/prey he was sent to the end of the time.
In Doomsday Wars, Brainiac went to the moment they dropped him off and retrieved his body.
That story ended up with him being put into a teleporter that was constantly running.He was released from the perpetual teleporter in OWAW.
From Doomsdays perspective, all these events happened consecutively.
Are you referring to the time Brainiac hacked Doomsday body (that Doomsday eventually got control of)?
Originally posted by carver9
He's naming everyone he's fought and defeated but you're sticking with Sentry. WBH didn't defeat Sentry and Greenscar/WWH was there AFTER defeating Sentry. Greenscar IS the strongest Hulk. I never denied that.What you're not getting is, the term WWH will not be spelled out in a comic because we made it up. A writer would say Greenscar. That is the same Hulk.
EXACTLY why I was laughing at you. Galan clearly specified what was WWH - i.e. the Hulk that appeared in the WWH story arc up to the fight with Sentry. Anything AFTER the fight with Sentry, is WBH. Green Scar includes both WWH and WBH.
You accepted this, and were happy with it. Finally, the forum has done something for you, iirc, were your words.
Now, you asked what if the writers reference WWH in later stories. Trouble is, this is a completely redundant question, as you now realise - because writers NEVER refer to WWH. They refer to Green Scar, or World Breaker.
So as the rules stand, WHICH YOU AGREED TO, WWH is everything in the WWH story arc (the 40ish issues up to and including the fight with Sentry. AFTER the fight ends, he goes WBH - Galan even posts the scans.
Originally posted by carver9
Galan... I have a question. It seems like the phrase WWH is causing confusion. Since the wording of this was never used in comics and it is something that is basically made up by the forum, can we get rid of the word entirely like ODG mentioned above and just stick with Greenscar? WBH is his own character and that wording is Canon to the story. WWH doesnt exist and should have never been used to determine this version of Hulk since his true name is Greenscar.
I mean, see your post:
Originally posted by carver9
I agree with everything mentioned above. I even agree with DOS Doomsday getting all of his showings before facing Superman. Same character, so why not.
Galan asked. You and I and others said yeah this is great.
Originally posted by carver9
Are you referring to the time Brainiac hacked Doomsday body (that Doomsday eventually got control of)?
Yes.
For it to be different interations, Doomsday has to die first.
When Brainiac took him to control, it was essentially mid-fight from Hunter/Prey. This was Doomsday Wars.
Then at the end of that, the JLA trapped him in teleporters pn the Moon. So same Doomsday. The Suicide Squad then freed him and set him on to fight the Imperiex Prbes.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
EXACTLY why I was laughing at you. Galan clearly specified what was WWH - i.e. the Hulk that appeared in the WWH story arc up to the fight with Sentry. Anything AFTER the fight with Sentry, is WBH. Green Scar includes both WWH and WBH.You accepted this, and were happy with it. Finally, the forum has done something for you, iirc, were your words.
Now, you asked what if the writers reference WWH in later stories. Trouble is, this is a completely redundant question, as you now realise - because writers NEVER refer to WWH. They refer to Green Scar, or World Breaker.
So as the rules stand, [b]WHICH YOU AGREED TO
, WWH is everything in the WWH story arc (the 40ish issues up to and including the fight with Sentry. AFTER the fight ends, he goes WBH - Galan even posts the scans.I mean, see your post:
Galan asked. You and I and others said yeah this is great. [/B]
He never said AFTER. He named the people he defeated. World Breaker Hulk didn't defeat anyone he named, so I don't get why you're clinging to WBH.
Galan said if the same character shows up after a story, the fts can be used. This same Hulk showed up, so yes, I will be using it.
Originally posted by carver9
He never said AFTER. He named the people he defeated. World Breaker Hulk didn't defeat anyone he named, so I don't get why you're clinging to WBH.Galan said if the same character shows up after a story, the fts can be used. This same Hulk showed up, so yes, I will be using it.
Yeah, a defeat or a win or a draw only happens after a fight ends, lmao. After he fought the Sentry, and defeated him, is WBH. The Hulk you are showing in your scan is the same one who defeated Sentry (good scan!), which means its the Hulk AFTER the fight has ended.
So WBH. You can certainly use that showing in a Green Scar/WBH thread, we are all in 100% agreement. No-one is disputing this or arguing against it, so don't strawman lol.
I mean, we even have this:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol Galan literally limited WWH to the WWH story arc in terms of peak powe though...
Originally posted by Galan007
👆 And if you want the potential for a stronger Hulk than that, just use "WBH" or "Green Scar" instead.
Originally posted by carver9
Are you referring to the time Brainiac hacked Doomsday body (that Doomsday eventually got control of)?
2. Just before he dies, as soon as Waverider/Superman leave, Brainiac appears and saves him:
3. Brainiac then mindcontrols him, until the end of the storyline where Superman traps him in the teleporters:
Still the same Doomsday.
4. Then the Suicide Squad go up, and release Doomsday from the teleporters, and set him against Imperiex Probes:
So Hunter/Prey = Doomsday Wars = OWAW.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, a defeat or a win or a draw only happens after a fight ends, lmao. After he fought the Sentry, and defeated him, is WBH. The Hulk you are showing in your scan is the same one who defeated Sentry (good scan!), which means its the Hulk AFTER the fight has ended.So WBH. You can certainly use that showing in a Green Scar/WBH thread, we are all in 100% agreement. No-one is disputing this or arguing against it, so don't strawman lol.
Again, WBH did not defeat any of the people he named. WWH did. He never said "after". He said "this is the same Hulk that defeated". The same Hulk that defeated these beings ARE WWH, not WBH.
Thanks for the chat though. He will be used. Im done with this convo.
Originally posted by carver9
Again, WBH did not defeat any of the people he named. WWH did. He never said "after". He said "this is the same Hulk that defeated". The same Hulk that defeated these beings ARE WWH, not WBH.Thanks for the chat though. He will be used. Im done with this convo.
See my edit above.
A defeat or a win only occurs AFTER a fight has ended. Otherwise the fight is still going on. And as you say, its Green Scar, actually, that defeated all those people, lol. not WWH - which is a forum version that limits Hulk up to the end of the Sentry fight. don't strawman me.
WBH is the Hulk that appears AFTER the fight with Sentry ended (i.e. after Sentry's defeat), as per forum rules which we all agreed on. You sticking your hands in your ears doesn't change this, lol.
You honestly don't see how the rules are?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
See my edit above.A defeat or a win only occurs AFTER a fight has ended. Otherwise the fight is still going on. And as you say, its Green Scar, actually, that defeated all those people, lol. not WWH - which is a forum version that limits Hulk up to the end of the Sentry fight. don't strawman me.
WBH is the Hulk that appears AFTER the fight with Sentry ended (i.e. after Sentry's defeat), as per forum rules which we all agreed on. You sticking your hands in your ears doesn't change this, lol.
You honestly don't see how the rules are?
Wanna battle zone this? 1 post for each? Only Galan can decide its fate?
As defined (and agreed upon), WWH(the character) gets everything up to the conclusion of his fight with Sentry, along with logical and reasonable scaling from his lesser versions. WBH-mode(which came after said battle) is not applicable to this version.
Again, if you want WWH to have the potential to preform WBH-level feats, then just specify Green Scar in the OP... Because at this point, the term "WWH" isn't going anywhere on this forum, so it's best to define what that title actually means in a thread. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007
As defined (and agreed upon), WWH(the character) gets everything up to the conclusion of his fight with Sentry, along with logical and reasonable scaling from his lesser versions. WBH-mode(which came after said battle) is not applicable to this version.Again, if you want WWH to have the potential to preform WBH-level feats, then just specify Green Scar in the OP... Because at this point, the term "WWH" isn't going anywhere on this forum, so it's best to define what that title actually means in a thread. 👆
👆 as I have always said, and as agreed upon by all.
The Hulk in Carver's scans is Green Scar/World Breaker, as the text clearly states. Him referring to himself as the Hulk that defeated Sentry, Black Bolt et al, is valid as it was Green Scar that did so.
If Carver wants to post these subsequent showings in a Green Scar/World Breaker thread, even though they take place outside of the HotM/WWH story arcs, by all means, I am 100% in agreement that they are valid and usable for Green Scar/WBH threads. Never argued otherwise.
@Galan: Carver is basically trying to argue that this Hulk is valid for WWH:
When the text and Carver's own post clearly state it was Green Scar/Worldbreaker:
Is also valid for WWH, even though it's (under forum definitions) Green Scar.
I understand what you're saying, carv, because the entire WWH-era featured "Green Scar". So yes, the wank-scans you posted ARE applicable to the Hulk of that era.
That said WWH, WBH, and Green Scar are different terms that have often been used interchangeably on this form over the years(and they aren't going anywhere), which inevitably leads to confusion in threads. Now we have easy and agreed-upon definitions/defaults for each term. It really is a very simple system.
My suggestion to you? Just use Green Scar in your future Hulk threads. 👆